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JRN · 07-04-2008

hkhoosier,

I have trained in various martial arts for the past 29 years. I have not attended any gun schools outside of what I have been exposed to in police work. I will say that on my former department our qualifications were at the IPD/Marion County Range at Eagle Creek and I can say that the training was very high level compared to most agencies. I know that many of the instructors there as with my current department have been to some of the big name schools. I enjoyed the training at Eagle Creek because we did have scenarios dealing with drawing from concealment and moving and shooting. On my current department we train with our firearm once a month which is a lot more than many departments that I know of. I have no interest in being a competition marksman and I know from personal experience that I will not always have time to get to my weapon. I have had occasions where someone has reached into a pocket to retrieve a weapon and on those occasions I was able to neutralize the attack. On one occasion I got to the gun before the guy could clear his concealment (in his pants under his shirt). On another, I was able to spin the guy around fast enough to cause the knife to fly out of the jacket pocket or his hand (I don't know which). On both of those occasions, I was in uniform with a simple level 2 holster that was not covered by a concealment garment and in both those cases the suspects were within ten feet of me. My awareness was already up and I still did not have time to draw and shoot. People can talk all day long about their situational awareness being on but it is impossible for you to be 100% all the time. If that were the case, you wouldn't need to train. Many people neglect their physical skills believing that the firearm will always be available. As I said, I had one on my side with no obstruction and I was in a position where my awareness was already focused on the situation and I still was unable to get to it before these guys made their move. Now I realize that there are people with more experience out there and many I am sure are in much better shape than me. You may have been able to pull off a shot. But many of you I am sure know that people don't fall down and stop fighting like they do on TV when they are hit. Both of the individuals I delt with were not the finest athletic specimens and at the time I was in pretty good shape. I also practiced drawing my duty weapon 100 times daily while still in the patrol division. They still beat me to the draw and they put up a pretty good fight. I was fighting individuals who were on a mission and that mission was to get away from me even if that meant killing me to do so. So what if they did not think I was an armed police officer and they wanted my life. Can you imagine just how much more difficult it would have been. That is a position anyone can be in. I am not here to put down anyones training. If it works and you are able to protect yourself and your family then that is great. I was able to defend myself before I went to ITC. But the skills I learned at ITC are helping me to better my tactics and training. Again, the training is there for anyone who wants it. I suggest taking advantage of it. Thank you.

07-04-2008	#67 (permalink)
JRN Plinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4	hkhoosier, I have trained in various martial arts for the past 29 years. I have not attended any gun schools outside of what I have been exposed to in police work. I will say that on my former department our qualifications were at the IPD/Marion County Range at Eagle Creek and I can say that the training was very high level compared to most agencies. I know that many of the instructors there as with my current department have been to some of the big name schools. I enjoyed the training at Eagle Creek because we did have scenarios dealing with drawing from concealment and moving and shooting. On my current department we train with our firearm once a month which is a lot more than many departments that I know of. I have no interest in being a competition marksman and I know from personal experience that I will not always have time to get to my weapon. I have had occasions where someone has reached into a pocket to retrieve a weapon and on those occasions I was able to neutralize the attack. On one occasion I got to the gun before the guy could clear his concealment (in his pants under his shirt). On another, I was able to spin the guy around fast enough to cause the knife to fly out of the jacket pocket or his hand (I don't know which). On both of those occasions, I was in uniform with a simple level 2 holster that was not covered by a concealment garment and in both those cases the suspects were within ten feet of me. My awareness was already up and I still did not have time to draw and shoot. People can talk all day long about their situational awareness being on but it is impossible for you to be 100% all the time. If that were the case, you wouldn't need to train. Many people neglect their physical skills believing that the firearm will always be available. As I said, I had one on my side with no obstruction and I was in a position where my awareness was already focused on the situation and I still was unable to get to it before these guys made their move. Now I realize that there are people with more experience out there and many I am sure are in much better shape than me. You may have been able to pull off a shot. But many of you I am sure know that people don't fall down and stop fighting like they do on TV when they are hit. Both of the individuals I delt with were not the finest athletic specimens and at the time I was in pretty good shape. I also practiced drawing my duty weapon 100 times daily while still in the patrol division. They still beat me to the draw and they put up a pretty good fight. I was fighting individuals who were on a mission and that mission was to get away from me even if that meant killing me to do so. So what if they did not think I was an armed police officer and they wanted my life. Can you imagine just how much more difficult it would have been. That is a position anyone can be in. I am not here to put down anyones training. If it works and you are able to protect yourself and your family then that is great. I was able to defend myself before I went to ITC. But the skills I learned at ITC are helping me to better my tactics and training. Again, the training is there for anyone who wants it. I suggest taking advantage of it. Thank you.