Opinions and info wanted on 12ga home defense rounds.

[dcarfly]

what are your thoughts on alternating 00 with slugs for knockdown?

[W9ZEB]

Originally Posted by dcarfly

what are your thoughts on alternating 00 with slugs for knockdown?

In a home, or densely populated area, it's a terrible idea.

slugs are BAD over penetrators. Also, at 20' 9x 9mm pellets have a lot more mass than a single 12gauge slug. The area they hit is larger, but not the "scattergun" effect we see on TV.

I'm thinking #4 tungsten bird shot first, followed by 3 rounds of OO
although, if Tazer ever releases the XREP.....

YouTube - Future Weapons - TASER's XREP

I'll likely load 2 of those first, with 2 OO behind them.

[dcarfly]

Thanks for the insite W9. Had always figured that if someone had a form of body armor on that a slug center mass would either knock them down or at the very least slow them down to a crawl!

[Ri22o]

After doing a lot of reading, bird shot is for birds. I've decided to go with the Ficocchi 00 Buck, Low Recoil.

[4sarge]

Originally Posted by W9ZEB

In a home, or densely populated area, it's a terrible idea.
if Tazer ever releases the XREP.....

I'll likely load 2 of those first, with 2 OO behind them.

I'm sure that those Bad Boys

will be limited to LEO or Military only

[obijohn]

while it may be true that birdshot is for birds, i don't think you can rule out 4, 6 or even 8 shot for the first couple of rounds for 12g home defense. at in the house ranges, the shot pattern is small enough to deliver most of the energy and you stand less of a chance of overpenetration.

of course if your house has rooms the size of a small gymnasium....

just food for thought. i have put the 12g away in favor of an ar15 for home defense. carbine, white light, reddot and m193 does it for me.

[Ri22o]

Originally Posted by obijohn

while it may be true that birdshot is for birds, i don't think you can rule out 4, 6 or even 8 shot for the first couple of rounds for 12g home defense. at in the house ranges, the shot pattern is small enough to deliver most of the energy and you stand less of a chance of overpenetration.

of course if your house has rooms the size of a small gymnasium....

just food for thought. i have put the 12g away in favor of an ar15 for home defense. carbine, white light, reddot and m193 does it for me.

I agree about the close range effectiveness of birdshot. My shotgun is currently loaded with #4 bird, 00 buck, #4, 00, 00, #4. Since the shotgun is what my girlfriend will grab in the event that someone is in the house, then I would prefer that all the rounds are the same. This way every shot feels about the same and she doesn't go from a kick to an unexpected heavier kick with the next shot (if she needs more than one shot, that is).

Maybe I should build a short barrel AR with a can for home defense.

[dcarfly]

interesting that some are concerned about a 12 ga slug being loosed during a home intrussion in a residential setting. But some talking about using a .223 round in the same setting.
My H&K tac shotgun has an EoTec sight on it but yet to have installed a light.
I wonder, much talk has been made in other circles about the effectiveness of "racking" a pump shotgun and the reaction of an intruder. Will charging an AR have the same effect or as most probably do, already have a round in the chamber. So without the associated sounds of loading either style weapon. What is your plans for engaging an intruder?

[Ri22o]

Originally Posted by dcarfly

interesting that some are concerned about a 12 ga slug being loosed during a home intrussion in a residential setting. But some talking about using a .223 round in the same setting.
My H&K tac shotgun has an EoTec sight on it but yet to have installed a light.
I wonder, much talk has been made in other circles about the effectiveness of "racking" a pump shotgun and the reaction of an intruder. Will charging an AR have the same effect or as most probably do, already have a round in the chamber. So without the associated sounds of loading either style weapon. What is your plans for engaging an intruder?

Good point. One argument I can see for a rifle/pistol over a shotgun is that a shotgun will have 9 or more objects in the air that you need to be accountable for as opposed to 1 from a rifle/pistol. (With the exception of a slug, obviously)

[Soundslikejosh]

Originally Posted by dcarfly

Thanks for the insite W9. Had always figured that if someone had a form of body armor on that a slug center mass would either knock them down or at the very least slow them down to a crawl!

Not to be one to give up, but if the BG is wearing body armor your day is going to get shitty real quick. Common thieves aren't the type of people who wear armor. Seems kinda reminiscent of "‘If Plan A is to take multiple .338 shots to the back, you really need to come up with a Plan B.”