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.458 socom
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redneckjoe
Plinker
do you think it would be better that a shotgun
redneckjoe
Plinker
OK thanks one last thing anyone know where to get a upper and what they might run $$$ and you can use you AR 15 .223 lower right? and where can you buy ammo?
how cool would it be to go deer hunting with a ar in 458 socom i was looking around and cant seam to find a ballistics chart on the calibre any body know of any also what do you figure the max range on a socom would be i know im 100% confident taking a 275-300 yd shot with my prohunter i wonder if the socom could do that i bet it could
57 inches of drop at 300 yards.
The 458 SOCOM is a 150-175 yard sledgehammer. Beyond that you need to be well practiced with its rainbow trajectory - or be looking for something faster and with a better B/C.
I've got several of the 458 Rock River uppers on order, will be offering them here exclusively to site supporters once I get the advertising lined up with Fenway here soon.
The 458 SOCOM is a 150-175 yard sledgehammer. Beyond that you need to be well practiced with its rainbow trajectory - or be looking for something faster and with a better B/C.
I've got several of the 458 Rock River uppers on order, will be offering them here exclusively to site supporters once I get the advertising lined up with Fenway here soon.
thanks for the info on the ballistics chart
I have a question
I'm thinking of getting in the lower group buy. My knowledge of AR's all comes from this site. The lowers that are being offered are the 5.56 and the 6.8. Would one of these allow me to do the SOCOM switch over that is being talked about here. I like that flexability. I don't want to high-jack a thread but if some one would like to PM me to explain the differences between the to lowers that would be great.
Thanks from a Black Rifle newbie.
I'm thinking of getting in the lower group buy. My knowledge of AR's all comes from this site. The lowers that are being offered are the 5.56 and the 6.8. Would one of these allow me to do the SOCOM switch over that is being talked about here. I like that flexability. I don't want to high-jack a thread but if some one would like to PM me to explain the differences between the to lowers that would be great.
Thanks from a Black Rifle newbie.
You can put a .458 SOCOM upper on either one of those. I'll be doing the same with 5.56 labeled lowers. I'm thinking of making some kind of tag to stick over the engraving that says .458 SOCOM, unless I plan on swapping different uppers to them.I'm thinking of getting in the lower group buy. My knowledge of AR's all comes from this site. The lowers that are being offered are the 5.56 and the 6.8. Would one of these allow me to do the SOCOM switch over that is being talked about here. I like that flexability. I don't want to high-jack a thread but if some one would like to PM me to explain the differences between the to lowers that would be great.
Thanks from a Black Rifle newbie.
The RRA uppers are engraved with the caliber, nobody in the DNR is going to give you any grief over what the receiver says.
I've taken to engraving/etching the cartridge name (which always includes the barrel groove diameter) along with the cartridge length on the IDNR legal cartridges just to prevent any confusion or misunderstanding.
I've taken to engraving/etching the cartridge name (which always includes the barrel groove diameter) along with the cartridge length on the IDNR legal cartridges just to prevent any confusion or misunderstanding.
ChalupaCabras
Expert
How is it legal for deer hunting in Indiana? As of last season only legal equipment were Shotguns with slug, Handguns of 357 or greater, and Pistol caliber carbines in legal pistol calibers.
The 458 SOCOM in none of the above, so how it it legal?
The 458 SOCOM in none of the above, so how it it legal?
last season it was leagel to hunt with rifles that use a handgun calibers. i think you could the season before last but im not sure about that
From the DNR Web site. here is the pdf on Deer Hunting Equipment.
http://www.state.in.us/dnr/files/fw-Deer_Hunting_Equipment.pdf
Pistol Caliber Rifles have been legal for two seasons now.
Here is the definition of a "Pistol Caliber Rifle":
The rifle cartridge must:
(A) have a bullet of three hundred fifty-seven thousandths of an
inch (.357) diameter or larger;
(B) have a minimum case length of one and sixteen hundredths
(1.16) inches; and
(C) have a maximum case length of one and six hundred
twenty-five thousandths (1.625) inches
The 458 SOCOM fits quite handily into this definition, along with a host of other wildcats.
ChalupaCabras
Expert
Does the DNR have any idea what the 458 SOCOM is? Its prety strange that they consider it a pistol round.
I knew about PCC being legal, and all of the other cartridges on that list are revolver cartridges usually found in old lever guns. What more, the 458 is nearly identical ballisticaly to the 45-70, which they state as illegal.
Why don't they just post minimum and maximum energy levels like a lot of other states do? It would make things a lot simpler.
I also noticed the the 50 Beowulf is just barely excluded: maximum length is 1.625", and the Beowulf is 1.65"
I knew about PCC being legal, and all of the other cartridges on that list are revolver cartridges usually found in old lever guns. What more, the 458 is nearly identical ballisticaly to the 45-70, which they state as illegal.
Why don't they just post minimum and maximum energy levels like a lot of other states do? It would make things a lot simpler.
I also noticed the the 50 Beowulf is just barely excluded: maximum length is 1.625", and the Beowulf is 1.65"
Is is specifically named in the regulation book as being acceptable.
See above, its even cut and pasted into this thread.
Serial Crusher
Sharpshooter
Apparently someone higher up in the DNR food chain has an upper 
It seems pretty out of place in that list of cartridges.
It seems pretty out of place in that list of cartridges.The reason is that to shoot beyond 175 yards, you have to point it to the sky. They are trying not to have bullets going too far because many hunting areas are within a short distance from housing or other forms of civilization. If we were in a state with more wide open spaces, I'm sure they'd open up these regulations.
The SOCOM is really ideal for what they want, when you look at its flight characteristics. Woe to any deer within that 175 yards, though. It would be like getting hit by a truck, especially if someone was using a custom load with a really heavy bullet. I've heard people have loaded up to 700 grains!
The SOCOM is really ideal for what they want, when you look at its flight characteristics. Woe to any deer within that 175 yards, though. It would be like getting hit by a truck, especially if someone was using a custom load with a really heavy bullet. I've heard people have loaded up to 700 grains!
