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    Hornady lock n load vs Dillon 650

    A little preface. Ive been precision loading for years on a forster coax. Its slow and precise and on certain rounds I couldn't care less about speed all I care about is prefection.

    About 2 years ago I decided to try progressive reloading. I bought a dillon 650 with case feed. I had owned it for a year or so and only loaded a few hundred rounds. I had issues with the press and spent alot of time on the phone with dillon (they were more than helpfull and sent me all the fix parts for free every time I have absolutly no complaints). By the time I got it working right I was already flusterated with the whole progressive reloading and had pretty much decided progressive reloading was not for me and decided since I only shoot a 5000ish bulk rounds a year I could buy them easier than make them and sold the press before I really got a chance to learn it well.

    Now with ammo hard to find recently I have decided to re visit the issue. I believe the ability to make my own bulk ammo in a hurry is a option I would like to have in the future. When I tried progressive reloading it was very rare that I had a full hour to sit down and make ammo wich is not very fruitful. Now I have a little more time to sit down and get it right.

    So on to my question. First of all im not looking for "red is the best because thats what I have and like" or "blue is the best because thats what I have and like" What I am looking for is "I have used both options, I like x about this and y about that but my favorite is ___"

    I will say even though I never fully got the swing of my Dillon im kind of leaning that dirrection because Im a stickler for customer service and Dillon was outstanding. Another reason Im leaning towards Dillon is I kept my press for a couple years and really didnt lose alot on the resale.

    I believe Profire arms is a dealer of both and they will get my business, Im just trying to figure out wich check to write.
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    Why not go with a Dillon 550? It's close to being as fast as the 650 and is less complicated/ cheaper. I have both a 550 and 650 love them both. THe 650 was just a used impulse buy. A friend has the Hornady LNL and I helped him set it up..also a good option. I just have had really good luck with Dillon's service and products and they get my money from now on.

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    I did alot of research before buying a progressive and ended up with the hornady LnL. The main two reasons I chose the hornady are :

    1. Better powder drop. I read it's usually within .1g. Mine has proven to do this also, even on short stick I get really consistent charges. I shoot in long-ish range competition and my scores are higher then when I weighed each charge. Part is pratice but I don't feel I'm losing any points in matches with dropped charges.

    2. 500 free bullets. I chose .30 cal which is $150 worth. So the press came out to around $250 if you subtract the cost of the bullets. That's dirt cheap for a quality progressive. I've even seen some people sell the 600 pack for $120-$140 so they have less then $300 out of pocket for the press. I used mine since I have a few .308's but it was a deffinate perk.

    I set the press up with no issues and have cranked out tons of ammo. In the first month I loaded as much as I did in the last 12 months on a single stage. I go slow because I double check every power charge and can easily produce 200 rounds an hour of .223. This is manually loading cases and putting in bullets. With the automated feeders I bet you could do 600+ an hour easy.

    I'm not loyal to any color, in fact I never owned any Hornady product before this, I buy what I feel works best based on lots of research and I don't regret this purchase one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by william View Post
    Why not go with a Dillon 550? It's close to being as fast as the 650 and is less complicated/ cheaper. I have both a 550 and 650 love them both. THe 650 was just a used impulse buy. A friend has the Hornady LNL and I helped him set it up..also a good option. I just have had really good luck with Dillon's service and products and they get my money from now on.

    I thought about that, But i think with the progressive reloader I will be faster with 1 hand always on the handle. Obviously Ill need a hand for bullet seating, but I dont want to have to place the case in every time. If im not mistaken (not a safe assumption) the 550 has no case feed option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerShot View Post
    I did alot of research before buying a progressive and ended up with the hornady LnL. The main two reasons I chose the hornady are :

    1. Better powder drop. I read it's usually within .1g. Mine has proven to do this also, even on short stick I get really consistent charges. I shoot in long-ish range competition and my scores are higher then when I weighed each charge. Part is pratice but I don't feel I'm losing any points in matches with dropped charges.

    2. 500 free bullets. I chose .30 cal which is $150 worth. So the press came out to around $250 if you subtract the cost of the bullets. That's dirt cheap for a quality progressive. I've even seen some people sell the 600 pack for $120-$140 so they have less then $300 out of pocket for the press. I used mine since I have a few .308's but it was a deffinate perk.

    I set the press up with no issues and have cranked out tons of ammo. In the first month I loaded as much as I did in the last 12 months on a single stage. I go slow because I double check every power charge and can easily produce 200 rounds an hour of .223. This is manually loading cases and putting in bullets. With the automated feeders I bet you could do 600+ an hour easy.

    I'm not loyal to any color, in fact I never owned any Hornady product before this, I buy what I feel works best based on lots of research and I don't regret this purchase one bit.

    Even though you have not used both, thats the kind of reply Im looking for. I mainly deal with scopes and it drives me nuts when alot of folks go "x is the best because thats what I have and all I've ever tried".

    So how did the rebate work? do you just get a list of options and pick one? how long did it take to get your bullets (obviously this might have changed since you bought)
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    The no BS warrenty was my tipping point,I don't foresee my self getting out of shooting or reloading ...ever, and mechanical parts tend to need to be replaced over time. Not to mention I'm pretty hard on most of my stuff. I went with the 550, as I want to control the indexing, keeps my stages complete and correct, KISS.


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    My reloading timeline:
    RCBS Rockchucker.
    Then a Dillon 450B? 4 die station thread in. Slide powder measure (doesn't like extruded) hand index.
    8 year break in reloading (raising babies).
    ebayed the Dillon.
    Bought LNL. (not auto eject)
    Excellent powder measure. I like the die bushings, mix and match locations for straight wall cases vs bottleneck. Factory crimp, etc. 5 die stations, auto index.
    Bought it on the price point, and the 1000 bullets thrown in.
    Guess I could say I like it enough that I'm contemplating a second one to set up for pistol.

    Customer service from Hornady has been fine. Everything that has broke so far has been replaced for free. I had a case stick in the sizing die, and it cracked the ears off one of the slots in the shellplate, they sent a replacement for free.
    I'm still using the original spring that goes around the shellplate.

    Still have the RCBS. Put the Hornady bushing adapter in it.....handy as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 42769vette View Post
    I thought about that, But i think with the progressive reloader I will be faster with 1 hand always on the handle. Obviously Ill need a hand for bullet seating, but I dont want to have to place the case in every time. If im not mistaken (not a safe assumption) the 550 has no case feed option.

    I think I've seen youtube vids of people modding a case feeder for the 550, but I've never tried it. You're correct that you would be faster with one hand always on the press, but after some practice it goes fast. In my experience it jams less than the 650 and is easier to fix when it does mess up which is a plus on the 550 side. I'm sure andrew has one and would let you try it out. I thought when I bought my 650 I would sell off my 550 and switch all the calibers I have for it to the 650, but I didn't. I actually like using the 550 better for what it's worth. I don't think you could go wrong with any of the choices mentioned. I'm not getting rid of my Coax though...I love that thing

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    I have a Hornady LNL and while I like it (compared to my Lee Turret press), I am a bit dismayed that it will not progressively load 30-06 without manual indexing of the shell plate; Need to manually index the shell plate because the unseated bullet will collide with the side of the bullet seating die before it gets into position to get IN the seater die. Then the seated bullet also collides with the Lee FCD I have after it. I've tinkered with the rotation timing, but to no avail.

    Also, it could use a way to unload the primer tube without dumping primers everywhere, say if you finished a loading session and wanted to switch primers.

    On the positive side: Shorter stuff works fine, and there's no question that it is solidly built.
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    Started reloading back in '77 on a used Redding turret press then bought an early Lee Progressive (still had to hand index the shell plate). Next bought a Hornady Projector (forerunner to the LNL). Great press, but you had to manually operate the powder measure. All the guys I worked with talked me into selling the Hornady Projector and buy a Dillon 650. It was a little faster, but had too many problems so I sold it. Purchased a new Redding T7 turret press and was very happy with it, but wanted the speed of a progressive so purchased a new Hornady LNL Progressive. I have not had one issue with the Hornady LNL Progressive. You might have to slightly adjust the paw that indexes the shell plate, but it is and easy adjustment. I love the ease of die changes with the bushing system. I run Redding dies with an RCBS lock out die. Also, I have tried to order a spare retainer spring for the shell plate and a primer tube, but Hornady sent them free. Dillon charges you for their "spare parts kit".
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