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    Clays for 9mm?

    I bought a pound of just plain old Clays with the intent of working up a load for my 1911. I'm happy with my other powders and didn't see a need to "break the seal" and open the bottle. As it turns out, I'm shooting more 9mm these days and my guns like 4.0gr of Titegroup under either Berry's or Xtreme 124 grain bullets. The problem is that I am down to about a half pound of Titegroup with almost no hope of finding it at least in my area or online.

    Have any of you guys tried Clays in 9mm Luger? While Titegroup has a half grain min/max range, Clays only has a .3 to .4gr range. My Lyman powder measure has no problem keeping Titegroup loads right on the money but will Clays measure and flow like Titegroup? Like I said, I haven't opened the bottle so I haven't seen the actual powder yet. The load and chrono data shows that Clays yields much lower velocities than TG loads too. The big question is, would it be worth it to work up a load with Clays or would I be better off trading it for Titegroup?

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    Clays or Universal Clays? I have used Clays (NOT UNIVERSAL) for 9mm and it makes good ammo, but the range from min to max loads is a bit tighter in 9mm than a lot of other powders. It is a great powder for .45ACP in a 1911 though, so I'd keep it.

    ETA: Here's a link to some load data from the powder manufacturer http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhopper46038 ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)ed5511&p=4718058#post4718058" rel="nofollow">View Post
    Clays or Universal Clays? I have used Clays (NOT UNIVERSAL) for 9mm and it makes good ammo, but the range from min to max loads is a bit tighter in 9mm than a lot of other powders. It is a great powder for .45ACP in a 1911 though, so I'd keep it.

    ETA: Here's a link to some load data from the powder manufacturer Cartridge Loads - Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - data.hodgdon.com
    It's just plain old Clays, not Universal Clays. The Hodgdon data shows a range of .3gr for my bullet weight. It's definitely doable as long as it meters like TG. The amazing thing is at a 3.0gr charge weight, that pound should yield over 2300 rounds.

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    Yes, it is very darn economical for 9mm! It meters well for me in both my Dillon and my RCBS powder measures. Maintaining +/- 0.1 grain has never been an issue.
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    Pretty much always looking to buy a Colt Combat or Lt.Weight Commander in 38 Super or 9mm


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    I have a pound of Clays but have not tried it in 9mm. In fact I just relaoded my first 45acp with Clays this afternoon.
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    It's a nice, clean burning powder too. I have used it for 9mm as well.
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    I use Clays (regular) and ClayDot (back when we could get that) almost interchangeably. For my soft 125 gr 9mm, it's just plain great. Good accuracy, low recoil. When I tried it with any charge with 115gr, I would get failure to cycle in my stock G19 and I didn't get the accuracy I wanted from 147gr pills (albeit, it felt like a dream).

    As for metering, I didn't like how it meters, so I just use a Tupperware container, dump in a pound, and use Lee scoops for measuring. I dole it out, then seal the container for the next go around. I know, the dippers aren't the most accurate (can vary up to .1 gr with the loading I do), but for plinking/close range (up to 15m), I have no complaints. It's when I try stretching out the distance (25M +) that I start noticing the powder variation causing inaccuracy. I will not use them for rifle calibers (they vary WAY too much in that regard), only using them to get a charge close on my scale, then following up with a trickler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disposable Heart ***Phone Number Hidden*** (See Rules for more info)ed5511&p=4718570#post4718570" rel="nofollow">View Post
    .....As for metering, I didn't like how it meters, so I just use a Tupperware container, dump in a pound, and use Lee scoops for measuring.....
    That's what I was afraid of. I don't want to break the seal to look at it. Is it not a spherical powder like TG? Powders like TG, Bullseye, 231 and H110 etc. are what meters best out of my Lyman. AA#5 looks like it should meter well but it sometimes causes a gritty feeling in my measure. I guess "scoop and measure" is better than not shooting at all.

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    Its a flake powder. I'd have no problem trading you a pound of 231 for it though, except it ain't worth it to either of us to drive that far for 1 pound of powder
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    Pretty much always looking to buy a Colt Combat or Lt.Weight Commander in 38 Super or 9mm


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    O'shark,

    Remember: It doesn't meter from MY dispenser. It might for yours!

    It's a flakey powder, not like Titegroup's weird half flake/half sphere powder. My measure won't run Longshot or Unique well either. But then again, any loads I'm making with Longshot are all going to be measured and uniformed on a scale, my Unique loads are 50/50 (either all measured for carry or scooped).

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