Lead ammo ban sought from EPA

[mrjarrell]

David Workman, the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner is reporting on a newly arisen effort on the parts of some green groups to ban lead ammunition through the auspices of the EPA. Despite the fact that there is no evidence that lead ammo plays any part in raised health or environmental levels.

via Seattle Gun Right Examiner

On Tuesday, a coalition of environmental groups petitioned with the Environmental Protection Agency asking that lead-based sporting ammunition and fishing tackle be banned.
What that could ultimately mean to Evergreen State gun owners, hunters and anglers is not only much higher ammunition prices, but a dramatic loss of revenue for the Department of Fish & Wildlife, because declining ammunition and tackle sales translates to a decline in federal excise tax revenues, which in turn will result in a decline in federal monies apportioned to this and other states through the Pittman-Robertson and Dingell-Johnson federal wildlife and fisheries restoration programs. That money is administered by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service.

Almost immediately, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) threw down the gauntlet.

“There is simply no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations that would require restricting or banning the use of traditional ammunition beyond current limitations, such as the scientifically based restriction on waterfowl hunting,” said NSSF President Steve Sanetti.

Read the rest at the source.
If they can't ban guns, they'll do the next best thing. Someone has failed to look at the unintended consequences of their actions. Causus Belli, indeed.

 

[Wabatuckian]

Monolithic copper bullets - the next step in firearms evolution.

I've also been looking at casting tin/bismuth if I can find a cheap source.

I believe the tin/bismuth would probably outperform cast lead, and the copper definitely does, though it's lighter.

As lead is banned, tungsten will be in higher demand, and bismuth is a byproduct of refining tungsten.

I'd also be interested to play around with high temp polymer/ceramic bullets...

Josh

 

[printcraft]

.........
Someone has failed to look at the unintended consequences of their actions..

NO, they know exactly the consequences of their actions.

Make ammo hard to get and extremely expensive.

Guns won't be much good without ammo. No need to ban something you can't use anyhow.

 

[mrjarrell]

I'd just rather they didn't ban lead.

 

[Leadeye]

Being a bullet caster I've taken the time to read some of "scientific studies" being served up by these groups. One ran a lead isotope test on blood samples from birds and concluded that the lead in the birds was the same isotope as the lead used in ammuniton. Although not for certain, I don't think that ammunition lead is isotope specific, and all you could conclude from this study would be that the lead isotopes in the birds were different from the lead isotopes found in the ground of their natural range.

Depending on the bird's range, there could be a lot of point lead sources other than lead ammunition. Sounds like these people are cherry picking the data.

 

[Expat]

All of these lead problems are pronouncements of anti-hunting groups. People never read the actual science. Here is some good info.
Lead in venison FAQ - NRAHuntersRights.org, NRA

 

[dukeboy_318]

time to go buy even more ammo now

 

[bmwdud]

YouTube - NSSF Discusses Threat to Traditional Ammunition

 

[MadCity Hoosier]

looks like it may be time to sell my stock in lead futures

 

[deadsquirrel]

IMO they have much bigger things to worry about.........

 

[Eddie]

NO, they know exactly the consequences of their actions.

Make ammo hard to get and extremely expensive.

Guns won't be much good with ammo. No need to ban something you can't use anyhow.

This plus it will be harder to make our own bullets. Anything we are forced to buy from a store is easier to tax/control.

 

[INGunGuy]

I am glad I have TONs of lead around here and have been casing bullets for years...

INGunGuy

 

[SSGSAD]

Some time ago, under Clinton, I think, Field & Stream, I think, reported,
that (they), wanted to ban making your own sinkers, for fishing...
It went down in a horrible defeat... If this happens, we need to fight,
once it starts, it will be a never-ending fight.....


REMEMBER, IN NOVEMBER... VOTE !!!!!

 

[melensdad]

 

[Indydrew]

That's funny I don't care who you are...

-Drew

 

[U.S. Patriot]

It's all a ploy. If they can not take our guns Then they'll try to raise the price off ammo so high, that the average Joe can not afford it. Even if that forces ammo companies to redesign their rounds, and force them to increase price. My uncle told me, that the Army is now using lead free rounds. He said they are not worth a

 

[melensdad]

In a swift and unexpected decision, the EPA today rejected a petition from environmental groups to ban the use of lead in bullets and shotgun shells, claiming it doesn't have jurisdiction to weigh on the controversial Second Amendment issue.

EPA Surrenders to NRA on Gun Control Issue - US News and World Report

 

[miguel]

I have never reloaded and am wholly ignorant on the subject, but have a question.

Could you cast bullets of aluminum or would it be too light to get the job done?

 

[22lr]

No way in heck this was going to happen. The democrats have way to many worries to add such a ban to the list of worries. Good to see the NRA in action once again!

 

[3gunshooter]

No way in heck this was going to happen. The democrats have way to many worries to add such a ban to the list of worries. Good to see the NRA in action once again!

Look at all that's happened, you can't ever assume something won't happen. I do not think this will be the end of it. The seed has been planted. I hope I am wrong.