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    Unhappy Cult in Indiana, decades of child abuse exposed

    Tonight, Thursday 9/22/2011 on CNN.

    Anderson Cooper 360: "UnGodly Discipline" Investigation


    The story that piqued my interest was the Fairhaven Baptist Church in Chesterton Indiana. It seems that institutionalized child abuse has been going on there for decades.



    Here's one story taken directly from one of the victims.

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    Lights had been out for about 30 minutes when the gym doors came crashing open and garbage cans went flying like an opening scene from Full Metal Jacket... And Carl Bain in all his glory yelled for us to square the deck away...now most of these kids weren't raised in military families and had no clue they just stood there...Finally he got it across that he wanted them to clear out an area in the middle of the floor and form a circle. They then began to berate everyone in the gym, saying "You guys don't take this serious, 'You wanna play games?' fine we are going to play some games!" They called Darcel, Caleb, and Tommy into the center of the circle and sat them down in chairs next to a fan and fed them steak fajitas and sandwiches, made sure they were nice and comfortable. Then began to make us do PT jumping jacks, sit-ups pushups, bends and thrusts(ask someone who has been in the military, what bends and thrusts are) then leg lifts while Steve Damron ran around the room stepping on each persons stomach saying that if they were doing it right they wouldn't be able to feel him...All the while we were told that we were being punished because of the 3 in the middle...this went on for about an hour and a half with no stop. Finally we are told to stand up...and they pulled Darcel into the middle and told us what he had done...or what they thought he had done...And they began to force him to drink liquid...It started out with bottles of arizona tea and then 2 liters of coke and gallons of water...I literally watched his stomach swell up from the liquid he was trying to ingest...and as if this wasn't enough...Jeff Voegtlin...and I'm quoting him and dare him to dispute it...said "Only a N***** would do something like what you did butch..." ( Darcel is an African American by the way) then they forced him to drink more water until he literally exploded vomited and urinated all over himself and what not every where... Then they made him clean it up and we went back to doing more PT while they sat him back down with his compadres..
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    Cults are scary stuff. I keep waiting for one to get exposed around here.
    The things you have done. The things you felt you had to do, all leading to this moment.

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    The show is supposed to start at 7pm CST.
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    I can't comment on this article without being banned (and I am a pastor). I will just say that I am VERY familiar with both Fairhaven and Hepzibah House. It gets my blood boiling just thinking about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambone View Post
    Tonight, Thursday 9/22/2011 on CNN.

    Anderson Cooper 360: "UnGodly Discipline" Investigation


    The story that piqued my interest was the Fairhaven Baptist Church in Chesterton Indiana. It seems that institutionalized child abuse has been going on there for decades.
    Curious if you feel any segment of the Gov't should do anything about it?
    There's lots of ________ on here who don't fit your particular stereotype, smearing us with goofball sophistry is what is out of line. It just makes gunowners look like *******s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phylodog View Post
    Curious if you feel any segment of the Gov't should do anything about it?
    LOL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phylodog View Post
    Curious if you feel any segment of the Gov't should do anything about it?
    I frequently say "No Victim, No Crime."

    There is certainly a victim when it comes to child abuse. The pastor and some of his staff should be in prison if these allegations are true.

    That's a proper use of government.

    Actually, let me repost this.
    Rambone claims he's not an anarchist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosierdood View Post
    I can't comment on this article without being banned (and I am a pastor). I will just say that I am VERY familiar with both Fairhaven and Hepzibah House. It gets my blood boiling just thinking about them.
    I'd like to hear more. I have been hearing rumors about this place for years. I'm sorry (but unsurprised) to see that they are turning out to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambone View Post
    I frequently say "No Victim, No Crime."

    There is certainly a victim when it comes to child abuse. The pastor and some of his staff should be in prison if these allegations are true.

    That's a proper use of government.

    Actually, let me repost this.
    Rambone claims he's not an anarchist
    I wasn't trying to pick a fight, I was curious as to whether you were willing to suggest any form of government involvement was appropriate. I agree with you, if the allegations are true, the staff should go to prison for their crimes.
    There's lots of ________ on here who don't fit your particular stereotype, smearing us with goofball sophistry is what is out of line. It just makes gunowners look like *******s.

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    This is precisely why Church's and other religious organizations should not be exempt from laws and jurisdictions that other businesses have to follow.

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