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Silencers Have NEVER Been Illegal !
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I took the boy to Point Blank today for some trigger time. I have been there on my own twice now and think it is one of the nicest indoor ranges I have ever been to.
I have been needing to get my Scorpion SBR on the range since changing trigger springs so I brought that and my M&P for myself to shoot and brought the P22 with can for the boy as well as his Savage .22.
We had been shooting for about 10 minutes and the boy was behind the trigger of the P22 when the RO came over and asked if I had a stamp for the can. I said that I certainly do, and that I had stamps for the other can as well as the Scorpion it was on. He said that I needed to show it to him. I asked why. He said because I am required to show it if asked. I told him that legally, the only persons I am required to show are ATF agents. He told me that if I didn't show him and continued to shoot then he would call the police. I kind of chuckled and said that I am a police officer. He said that he was a retired police chief and he knows what he's talking about. I told him that I was not going to show him the stamps and he said then I can't shoot the NFA items there. I asked if I could put them back in the bags and shoot the other stuff and he said yes. So the boy and I finished our range time shooting the P22 sans-can, Savage and M&P.
After we were done we went back into the store area and I found the manager and asked if we could talk. I asked him what the policy was about NFA items and he said that customers are required to show the stamp before being allowed to use them on the range, and that it was the law. I told the manager that legally, nobody has to show their stamps to anyone outside ATF. He then said that it's still their policy. I asked if it was written down or posted anywhere because I read all their rules both online and in-store before buying range time. He said that it was not written or posted. I asked how they ensured that everyone shooting on the range was not a felon or otherwise prohibited person. He said they don't do background checks because they have no way to do that but checking stamps was an easy way to ensure legality. I pointed out the hipocracy and irony in that. I also suggested that if they are going to have a policy like that then it should be posted because allowing me to get all the way onto the range with my legal items, then telling me I have to comply or leave is not cool. The manager did say that he would bring up the issue of this rule not being posted anywhere to the regional manager. Had I known that they want to inspect my papers and items I would have gone elsewhere to shoot them.
I really have no issue with them having a policy to show papers or not shoot. It's their place, their rules. Where I take issue is that, in my opinion, a rule like this really should be posted. I am a big boy and I can decide where to spend my money and what kind of rules I find acceptable enough for me to patronize a place.
My other issue, and probably the biggest one, is that the RO threatened me with calling the police.
The likelihood that I will return there, despite how nice and geographically convenient the place is, is slim based on this particular experience.
I took the boy to Point Blank today for some trigger time. I have been there on my own twice now and think it is one of the nicest indoor ranges I have ever been to.
I have been needing to get my Scorpion SBR on the range since changing trigger springs so I brought that and my M&P for myself to shoot and brought the P22 with can for the boy as well as his Savage .22.
We had been shooting for about 10 minutes and the boy was behind the trigger of the P22 when the RO came over and asked if I had a stamp for the can. I said that I certainly do, and that I had stamps for the other can as well as the Scorpion it was on. He said that I needed to show it to him. I asked why. He said because I am required to show it if asked. I told him that legally, the only persons I am required to show are ATF agents. He told me that if I didn't show him and continued to shoot then he would call the police. I kind of chuckled and said that I am a police officer. He said that he was a retired police chief and he knows what he's talking about. I told him that I was not going to show him the stamps and he said then I can't shoot the NFA items there. I asked if I could put them back in the bags and shoot the other stuff and he said yes. So the boy and I finished our range time shooting the P22 sans-can, Savage and M&P.
After we were done we went back into the store area and I found the manager and asked if we could talk. I asked him what the policy was about NFA items and he said that customers are required to show the stamp before being allowed to use them on the range, and that it was the law. I told the manager that legally, nobody has to show their stamps to anyone outside ATF. He then said that it's still their policy. I asked if it was written down or posted anywhere because I read all their rules both online and in-store before buying range time. He said that it was not written or posted. I asked how they ensured that everyone shooting on the range was not a felon or otherwise prohibited person. He said they don't do background checks because they have no way to do that but checking stamps was an easy way to ensure legality. I pointed out the hipocracy and irony in that. I also suggested that if they are going to have a policy like that then it should be posted because allowing me to get all the way onto the range with my legal items, then telling me I have to comply or leave is not cool. The manager did say that he would bring up the issue of this rule not being posted anywhere to the regional manager. Had I known that they want to inspect my papers and items I would have gone elsewhere to shoot them.
I really have no issue with them having a policy to show papers or not shoot. It's their place, their rules. Where I take issue is that, in my opinion, a rule like this really should be posted. I am a big boy and I can decide where to spend my money and what kind of rules I find acceptable enough for me to patronize a place.
My other issue, and probably the biggest one, is that the RO threatened me with calling the police.
The likelihood that I will return there, despite how nice and geographically convenient the place is, is slim based on this particular experience.
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