Carrying a cap and ball revolver

[Ruffnek]

Thought this article was interesting.It also brought to mind a member who was carrying a cap and ball revolver a while back.

Why a Judge Ordered Me to Get an Indiana Carry Permit - The Truth About Guns

 

[chezuki]

Thought this article was interesting.It also brought to mind a member who was carrying a cap and ball revolver a while back.

Why a Judge Ordered Me to Get an Indiana Carry Permit - The Truth About Guns

Hmm... Sounds like the prosecutor screwed the pooch on this one, and the "offender" didn't do himself any favors by not seeking proper counsel. Sounds like his outcome was likely decided over a game of golf with no one actually cracking a law book.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Ummmm . . . I don't think . . . ummm.

I want the cause number. Cause number or it did not happen.

He seems in need of a Post Conviction Relief petition ahora mismo.

 

[Kurr]

I still OC my 1851 every day. MANY compliments and conversations started because of it.

First though, he failed. Cap and ball IS a firearm under state law. Second, he should have known the statute saying it is exempt from license. Third, prosecuter should have known and dismissed as soon as HE seen it was C&B, just as if a valid license had been presented.

So many fishy things here, I'm with Kirk, I have my doubts as to validy of story.

And I still haven't gotten that license yet, been served a hamburger by a sheriff in one county and shook hands with my sheriff after he gave my kids some "Jr deputy" badge stickers, never been questioned by a LEO officer or asked for my pink slip.

EDIT: I was gonna search Wesley T. Hartman on mycase.IN.gov but site is currently down.

 

[CathyInBlue]

If wading into the comments section, wear your hip boots and beware the pissing contests.

@ Kirk: "ahora mismo"? My Latin is failing me. Best I'm coming up with is "at a miserable hour".

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So many fishy things here, I'm with Kirk, I have my doubts as to validy of story

Something is not right. Not accusing no one of nothing, just that this is wrong on many different levels.

I want to see a cause number. I know PDs all over the state from the work I do for IPDC. Heck, I might do a PCR myself for pro bono if this checks out as a true miscarriage.

Kirk: "ahora mismo"?

Right now/immediately in Spanish.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

hat black-powder reproductions weren’t considered firearms as I understood it, but I didn’t push it too hard

Ummm, what? So he talked to the police but NOT about the fact that he was not committing a crime?

Something is wrong here. Cops all carry the little code books from IPAC.

If he is running his baconhole, why do the cops (apparently there are 2) not go to the glovebox and look at the IPAC codebook?

My rights were read, and I was arrested and placed in the back of the cruiser. A

His rights are read? Why? They just chucked him in the back of the scout car.

Is this being written because it was on Blue Bloods?

I probably could because I was only being charged with a Class A Misdemeanor, Carrying a Firearm without a Permit.

What? Even a rookie with an FTO knows that the license is only needed for handguns, modern handguns.

They set a “compliance hearing” for two weeks after my guilty plea hearing, and sent me on my way.

Two weeks? Who is the judge that would only set anything only two weeks away?

So, he got his pink card in two weeks? In 2010? Is anyone else scratching his chin about the claim of getting an LTCH in two weeks, in 2010?

Public Defenders are pretty worthless, so it helps to have a bullet-proof case for your innocence

Is that so? Well, the Indiana Public Defenders Council has a firearms training seminar, that I teach. Some of the best criminal defense attorneys in the state hold or have held PD contracts.

He had a bullet-proof case and yet he was convicted? He did not think to say, "hey, Mr. Pukemeyer, my attorney, what about this statute that I printed off before I started carrying the blackpowder pistol?"

The closer I read this, the less sense it is making.

I want a cause number. With the cause will come the county, the judge, and his attorney's name.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

If true, this case is such an outrage that I am interested in doing the PCR and expungement pro bono.

 

[freekforge]

The only thing that seems right about this is the weed guys being cool cellies.

I carried mine for quite awhile the county prosecutor,sheriff and police chief all knew about. Just the other day a guy carrying a 1860 army walked right past the chief and all he said was "cool gun".

I would like to get the case number and look it up.

 

[Excalibur]

Reading this story, this could have gotten much worse for the kid

 

[chezuki]

Reading this story, this could have gotten much worse for the kid

 

[Denny347]

Cops all carry the little code books from IPAC.

If he is running his baconhole, why do the cops (apparently there are 2) not go to the glovebox and look at the IPAC codebook?

What? Even a rookie with an FTO knows that the license is only needed for handguns, modern handguns.

Really? We stopped getting those in 2008. They still print them? We are told to go online to find the codes.

 

[45fan]

If true, this case is such an outrage that I am interested in doing the PCR and expungement pro bono.

And this is just one of the reasons I consider you a class act. Kudos to you, sir, even if this story isnt quite passing the litmus test.

 

[EdC]

Kirk,

I thought that that a person didn't need a LTCH for a black powder handgun in Indiana as well, but I came across these statutes that would lead me to believe otherwise. What did I miss?

IC 35-47-1-5
"Firearm"
Sec. 5. "Firearm" means any weapon:
(1) that is:
(A) capable of expelling; or
(B) designed to expel; or
(2) that may readily be converted to expel;
a projectile by means of an explosion.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.3-2008,
SEC.254.

IC 35-47-1-6 "Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1)
hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

IC 35-47-2-1 Version a
Carrying a handgun without being licensed; exceptions; person
convicted of domestic battery
Note: This version of section effective until 7-1-2014. See also
following version of this section, effective 7-1-2014.
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and
section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any
vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under
this chapter to carry a handgun.

Version b, effective 7/1/14 is, for these purposes, the same

 

[Doug]

IC-35-47-2-19

This chapter does not apply to any firearm not designed to use fixed cartridges or fixed ammunition, or any firearm made before January 1, 1899.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Really? We stopped getting those in 2008. They still print them? We are told to go online to find the codes.

Yes, IPAC still prints them. They are still $10 a pop. They are gray this year.

They are very handy to have around. Outside the polished walls of Marion County one will find them in cop cars.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I thought that that a person didn't need a LTCH for a black powder handgun in Indiana as well, but I came across these statutes that would lead me to believe otherwise. What did I miss?

§19.

Title, Article, Chapter, Section (TACS).

 

[freekforge]

Did the little books use to be green? my brother was given one a couple years ago when he was a cop cant remember the year he went in but it was after 08. I have an 08 10 and 12 one.

I cut out 35-47-2-19 from one of my magic green books and carried it in my wallet just in case i ran into a butt head that wanted to argue.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Each year they are a different color.

 

[Doug]

Yes, IPAC still prints them. They are still $10 a pop. They are gray this year.

They are very handy to have around. Outside the polished walls of Marion County one will find them in cop cars.

What is IPAC and how would a civilian go about getting one?