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Old 10-29-2008   #121 (permalink)
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G.I.M.P.S. is nothing compared to T.H.P.D.. A veteran city officer laughingly told me he wouldn't display this acronym emblazoned across a garment because he wasn't THUPID.
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G.I.M.P.S. is nothing compared to T.H.P.D.. A veteran city officer laughingly told me he wouldn't display this acronym emblazoned across a garment because he wasn't THUPID.
Bit of a stretch there.
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This guy is creating a circus for the purpose of further his agenda. There is a huge difference between intentionally being a dick and protecting your own rights. Maybe I am missing details, but the guy on the phone seems to be a real tool.

Edit: I finished watching the video and it became apparent that "Dave" didn't start the circus, he just joined in on the main event. I am divided, as I see both sides of the issue. Suffice it to say that I don't think he "won" or that anybody was "owned". YMMV
You have "Don't Tread On Me" as an avatar, and you dislike him exercising his rights?

I still find it stunning that so many cops are so blatantly ignorant on this score.

So if the cops surprise someone open carrying and they make a protective move to cover their gun, the cops can shoot without penalty, right?
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You have "Don't Tread On Me" as an avatar, and you dislike him exercising his rights?
I believe we have a misunderstanding sir. I take no exception to him exercising his rights. It seems to me that he was more belligerent than the situation required. Also, his buddy on the sidewalk was a bit antagonistic. If it had been my friend I would have served him a big bowl of STFU. No sense having someone else pushing the envelope, potentially making the situation worse. Piss off one of the LEO and you could have a bad afternoon. Don't start with the "we'll then we'd sue the pants off them" **** because that doesnt undo the bruising or taser marks. Just because its illegal doesnt mean it couldn't happen.

I am not advocating pacifism, and you certainly wont find me in the "well just cover it up" camp. He was more or less respectful during the encounter, and I give him credit for that. Something about the thing just came across as.... well I cant find the right adjective. Maybe its the whole cell phone and camera thing.
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A few things that validate this approach:

One, it educates the cops involved. And if the victims of police ignorance file complaints, maybe the police forces will educate their officers en masse. Perhaps a vain hope, but a valid one I think. And if the cops involved see determination and a refusal to be intimidated by their tactics, maybe they'll change their approach.

Two, the 411Porc is a VERY good idea in the face of an increasingly militaristic and combative attitude on the part of police towards the citizenry. Public demonstrations of positive rights should be made. How much good is done by this video? I think much more good than bad.

The guy carrying wasn't belligerent in my view. If the cop doesn't have the right to ask the questions, he has the right to not answer them. I doubt I could be as restrained in my responses.

The style may annoy, but I think this is important work.

What I want to know is what are the public's rights in recording the official activities of police officers in Indiana? I know there are some states where it is definitely against the law. And that's just crap.
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Something about the thing just came across as.... well I cant find the right adjective. Maybe its the whole cell phone and camera thing.
I think the cell phone and camera were there "for his protection, as well as the police's". Might have helped him "go home at the end of the day"
instead of jail or the hospital.
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Good points IndyMike. I am reconsidering my view on his actions.
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My cell phone was on the same side as my back up gun. Reaching for my cell phone would have been very stupid.

(I cannot understand why he was so concerned over my 1911 but said nothing about my Kahr P9. Perhaps he did not see it).

Whipping out my cell phone would have gotten me an ASP-size dent in my skull. He was that angry.
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What is the point of adding these videos to the discussion here regarding Kirks encounter in Broad Ripple?

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