HD scenario, what to do: Your door gets kicked down

[kgeb]

I guess seeing it put that way makes you think a little before posting

[public servant]

Originally Posted by kgeb

If they make it past the 2 german shepards then they face a 12 gauge my wifes has and the PS90 and 5.7 pistol that are next to me. And if I know there comming and they are not LE then the fun really begins.

Prosecutor: And on June 24th, 2009 at approximately 04:00 hours, did you not post on a local internet website that supports the use of firearms, often for violent purposes...a website filled with hysteria and paranoia filled, anti-social fanatics...that if you knew the deceased would be walking through your door that...and I'm quoting you now..."then the fun really begins"? Is that not what you posted? That if you knew he was coming through your door that you would be laying in wait? Isn't it? Is that not what you posted? Yes or no Mr. kgeb...was that not what you posted? That you had made plans and intended to shoot down this man or any man that attempted to enter your home? In fact...when asked on this forum what you kept in your home to defend yourself...you replied, again...I'm quoting you..."surefire m4 remington youth 870 12 gauge 00 and if that dont stop them ps90 with 2 50 round mags"...did you not??

And on another date didn't you openly brag when a utility worker accidently entered on your property...again...quoting you..."I work midnights and and about a week ago the cable guy decided to just walk into the back yard and look at the pole or something needless to say...I thought the guy was going to sh*t his pants when he came from behind the garage and saw...me standing there with a 12 gauge. the best part was when he looked up and saw (me) it was priceless the look of shear terror when he realized that you just shouldnt going where you arent envited." But inflicting that terror wasn't enough for you was it?? You wanted more...you wanted to know what it was like to kill...

As it turns out...this man...that entered your home...that you shot down in cold blood...your neighbor...had been out drinking and returned to the wrong home and entered into the wrong house...and that somehow you lured him in. Through the front door that you say you accidently left unlocked. You sat there waiting...and when he entered the door you murdered him...shot him...not once, not twice, but three times...the same man that in the weeks before this event you had been having several loud, heated arguments with because he didn't believe in people owning guns...and then you used the very guns he objected to...the very guns that you openly plotted to use on that internet website that promotes murder and violence. On this very website other members promote the violent overthrow of the government (this is really why they don't want that crap on here) and the murder of anyone who would attempt to take away their firearms...and in fact others they deem not to share their violent, anti-social and murderous ways. On this very website that other members state that when the government comes they will die in a pile of brass before they give up their guns. In fact...in a thread where you and the other fanatics were openly plotting and discussing what you would do when someone uninvited entered your home.

So I ask again Mr. kgeb...did you or did you not plan and openly express even to the detail of which guns you would use to kill this man??? Did you or did you not openly brag about murdering another human being?

"Well....uhhh...."

Your Honor...the prosecution rests.

Some things should go left unsaid... Because this is how it will be used against you. Don't read more into it than what there is. I'm not saying this forum is full of plotters and murders. I'm just saying...this is how it will be portrayed. And kgeb...I'm not picking on you...I swear.

And remember... Let's be careful out there.

[LCSOSgt11]

Wellll...................................

Since I work for a Sheriff's Office, I can be PRETTY sure it won't be my coworkers showing up for a visit. I consider three things:

1. Make sure the family is safe and holed up.

2. Call 911 and leave the line open (our dispatchers just LOVE hearing
things "in progress")

3. Call out for your visitors to identify themselves. If they don't, well
then, them's the breaks when your impromptu range practice interrupts
their felonious mayhem.

Remember:

Home invaders ARE NOT your run of the mill burglars. Home invaders specifically target occupied dwellings for the purpose of committing all sorts of mayhem and to intimidate and coerce the occupants of the dwelling. Be prepared to repel boarders by all means necessary.

[agentl074]

I would assume that most of us would have a plan in this circumstance. Leaving the emergency line open helps the authorities know what happened and that the occupants were in danger. Also remember that training is often just as valuable as the weapon! Remember, dial 911 first if possible

[finity]

Originally Posted by public servant

Some things should go left unsaid... Because this is how it will be used against you. Don't read more into it than what there is. I'm not saying this forum is full of plotters and murders. I'm just saying...this is how it will be portrayed. And kgeb...I'm not picking on you...I swear.

While I agree that using the word "fun" to describe your use of deadly force in self-defense is bad form, the law at least supports the idea that the poster was stating.

If someone enters your house by force, you have the right to use deadly force to repel that attack. If the police don't properly ID themselves then they will be the ones responsible for any deaths or injuries. The homeowner stands a chance of being killed in that situation but he also stands a chance of being killed if he does nothing and it really isn't the police but BG's knocking the door down.

The prosecutor may use all the tactics you stated in your story but a decent defense attorney will counter those assertions by pointing out "the law". Not a sure thing I agree but not a slam dunk for the prosecutor either.

To the OP:

It does suck but your going to have to make a decision about what to do if the time comes. It's better to do that now than to have to do it when the adrenaline dump is going on.

[public servant]

Jails and prisons are full of people who otherwise wanted only to do the right thing. How many threads here have been about people who thought they were defending their life or property and ended up being the scapegoat for a seemingly over zealous prosecutor. I just would not want to...at a minimum...give them ammo that would devestate my savings in my defense.

I understand that when the chips are down...we have to do what we hope is the right thing. And then hope everyone else sees it the same way. Anything that could cause light to be shed in a different manner is counter-productive to our cause.

[agentl074]

Originally Posted by public servant

Jails and prisons are full of people who otherwise wanted only to do the right thing. How many threads here have been about people who thought they were defending their life or property and ended up being the scapegoat for a seemingly over zealous prosecutor. I just would not want to...at a minimum...give them ammo that would devastate my savings in my defense.

I understand that when the chips are down...we have to do what we hope is the right thing. And then hope everyone else sees it the same way. Anything that could cause light to be shed in a different manner is counter-productive to our cause.

In the context of today's political atmosphere, anything really goes. Think about it... how many sheep are out there who could be tricked into thinking that defending yourself is illegal? That firearms are illegal... that there is a law on this or that? So in that context, really each one of us is a political target for just being on here.

I digress... we gotta at least try to keep our heads down right?

[Joe Williams]

Originally Posted by agentl074

In the context of today's political atmosphere, anything really goes. Think about it... how many sheep are out there who could be tricked into thinking that defending yourself is illegal? That firearms are illegal... that there is a law on this or that? So in that context, really each one of us is a political target for just being on here.

I digress... we gotta at least try to keep our heads down right?

No. For the last few decades gun owners kept our heads down, and all we got was more infringement on our rights, and darn near an elimination of them. We need to keep our heads high, be vocal and visible, insist on our rights, and viciously attack any who would deny them, government agents in particular.

[agentl074]

Originally Posted by Joe Williams

No. For the last few decades gun owners kept our heads down, and all we got was more infringement on our rights, and darn near an elimination of them. We need to keep our heads high, be vocal and visible, insist on our rights, and viciously attack any who would deny them, government agents in particular.

I agree to that... I was talking about posting planning and tactics which is a no no. If you have been trained, fall back on it. I would not suggest advertising planning stages etc.

[techres]

Originally Posted by Joe Williams

No. For the last few decades gun owners kept our heads down, and all we got was more infringement on our rights, and darn near an elimination of them. We need to keep our heads high, be vocal and visible, insist on our rights, and viciously attack any who would deny them, government agents in particular.

I don't see that gloom in this chart:



What I see there is hard work, professional organization, smart action, and success in reclaiming ground.