Insulted by Pendleton, IN Chief of Police...

[Walter Zoomie]

Originally Posted by Biggdogg

Only thing I can think of is trying to adopt some type of ordinance kinda like Speedway has now...but that's an OC only ordinance

I chatted with a couple of Speedway cops at the track this May about that very thing.

I asked them about the Speedway ordinance which was passed in 1966 concerning concealed carry.

Neither of them had ever heard of it, and said they wouldn't enforce it.

They said as long as you have a permit, you're free to carry as you please.

So...night before the race, I did.

[Biggdogg]

Just a follow up on this issue...

I have called two different people at the City and they had no idea of any new ordinance being looked at regarding OC/CC. They then referred me to the PD. The LEO that answered the phone gave the same response and suggested that I speak with the City Atty. since he is the one who would handle all issues regarding ordinances.
Still waiting on a return call or e-mail from the City Atty. about it, but so far it seems like Chief Farrer is the only person who knows ANYTHING about this supposed new ordinance.

[chasekerion4]

Originally Posted by AndersonIN

Here is Chief Farrer's response to 2nd email!

I’m sorry, I thought your concern was simply having the weapon within the Town of Pendleton. First of all thank you for sending me the link to refresh me of the rule. Unfortunately the State has remained to be “silent” on the issue forcing local officials to be the front line of the interpretation of the law. Until there is a local ordinance, which is currently in the works, it is my understanding, from what I read, that open carry is allowed with a proper permit by the State. Be prepared though, to have Law Enforcement approach to check credentials since we get numerous phone calls and reports when people are openly carrying a weapon, as was the case at our June Jamboree. Stop in and visit, Marc

The red highlighted area is where I have the problem with it. He doesn't have to "interpret" anything. All he has to do is note that it is a LTCH and that the statutes do not specify HOW to carry.

I wonder what he'd think if you slung an AR over your back. He might just wet himself and promptly have a stroke

Sounds to me like, while he says it's okay in print in this email, that he wants to intimidate people into submission while in person.


Either way, he's sorely mistaken if he thinks there is something "in the works" regarding a local ordinance, which furthers my point that he is either:

• an idiot who doesn't understand the state's pre-emption laws
• a LEO who tries to intimidate you into following his RULES, and not his state's LAWS.

This asshat is borderline comical.

[kingnereli]

Originally Posted by chasekerion4

The red highlighted area is where I have the problem with it. He doesn't have to "interpret" anything. All he has to do is note that it is a LTCH and that the statutes do not specify HOW to carry.

I wonder what he'd think if you slung an AR over your back. He might just wet himself and promptly have a stroke

Sounds to me like, while he says it's okay in print in this email, that he wants to intimidate people into submission while in person.


Either way, he's sorely mistaken if he thinks there is something "in the works" regarding a local ordinance, which furthers my point that he is either:

• an idiot who doesn't understand the state's pre-emption laws
• a LEO who tries to intimidate you into following his RULES, and not his state's LAWS.

This asshat is borderline comical.

AR open carry event. Woohoo!

[Bill of Rights]

Originally Posted by chasekerion4

The red highlighted area is where I have the problem with it. He doesn't have to "interpret" anything. All he has to do is note that it is a LTCH and that the statutes do not specify HOW to carry.

I wonder what he'd think if you slung an AR over your back. He might just wet himself and promptly have a stroke

Sounds to me like, while he says it's okay in print in this email, that he wants to intimidate people into submission while in person.



Either way, he's sorely mistaken if he thinks there is something "in the works" regarding a local ordinance, which furthers my point that he is either:

• an idiot who doesn't understand the state's pre-emption laws
• a LEO who tries to intimidate you into following his RULES, and not his state's LAWS.

This asshat is borderline comical.

Sadly, I think he does understand the preemption laws and the limitation thereof, that local governments except townships can regulate their property except highways so as to prevent firearms carry.

They cannot regulate property that is not theirs without running afoul of the preemption law, if I understand it correctly.

Blessings,
Bill

[singlestacksig]

they could regulated OC on town property...

[AndersonIN]

For those interested:

Pendleton Elected Officials:

State Representative Scott E. Reske State Senator Timothy S. Lanane Pendleton Town Council: An elected 5-person council is the main governing body in Pendleton.

Donald E. Henderson
Council President
Jeanette Isbell
Council Vice President
Andrea Canaday
Council Member Bob Campbell
Council Member
Eddie Traylor
Council Member
Tim Ryan
Clerk - Treasurer Council may be contacted at:
100 West State St.
P.O. Box 230
Pendleton, IN 46064
Phone: 765-778-2173Clerk Treasurer may be contacted at:
100 West State St.
P.O. Box 358
Pendleton, IN 46064
Phone: 765-778-7937

In this day of everyone looking at how they can attrack more money to their communities the town council may want to know how their Police Chief is making people feel welcome.

The state Rep. and Senator may be interested in how the Chief isn't aware of a very common law and then trys to intimadate citizens!

[rhino]

The fact that state law nullifies such local ordinances (when they extend beyond municipally owned properties) does not stop towns from passing them. An ordinance on the books that is invalid will still intimidate and discourage people who are ignorant of their rights and of the law (which combined with is the majority of people). Those who pass such ordinances know this and count on it.

Consider the ordinances in South Bend, for example. Not grandfathered and thus not valid, but they're still going to use them cow the ignorant.

[iam1096]

what law does Speedway have on OC?

[ATM]

Originally Posted by iam1096

what law does Speedway have on OC?

They have an old local ordinance prohibiting Concealed Carry (OC is fine.) It is not enforced from what I hear.