Accidental Discharge when OC/CC?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by showngocrx19

I CARRY WITH ONE IN THE PIPE ALWAYS. HAVENT HAD ONE DISCHARGE YET

[roscott]

[Joe Williams]

Even pros screw up. Carrying a single action pistol with no manual safety with a round in the chamber is an extra risk. Some people have an inflated opinion of their infallibility, and think they will never make a mistake. Maybe they'll get lucky, maybe they'll follow in the footsteps of these professionals. One lost his son when a fellow officer blew his kid's head off, one merely destroyed his own reputation and became a laughing stock. Such things can and do happen with guns with heavy double action triggers or manual safeties, but it's harder to make such egregious errors. Carrying a single action gun with no manual safety chamber loaded just makes it too easy for a split second brain fart to become a tragedy, IMHO.

No charges in accidental shooting of Deptford cop's son - NJ.com

YouTube - DEA AGENT SHOOTS OWN FOOT

[Agent 007]

Originally Posted by thompal

As I offered before, if you can show me stats that prove that safety-less handguns have NO more incidents (as in ZERO) of ADs, then I will re-consider my opinion (an NO, Glock marketing hype does not count).

I'm really done talking to you. GUNS DON'T HAVE "ADs" BY THEMSELVES! Is it really that hard to understand that inanimate objects don't act on their own?

Why would I care if you change your opinion? I've presented my views, you've presented yours. Go forth, eat, drink and be merry.

The majority of armed professionals agree with me. That's warm and fuzzy enough for me.

[Agent 007]

Originally Posted by Joe Williams

Even pros screw up. Carrying a single action pistol with no manual safety with a round in the chamber is an extra risk. Some people have an inflated opinion of their infallibility, and think they will never make a mistake. Maybe they'll get lucky, maybe they'll follow in the footsteps of these professionals. One lost his son when a fellow officer blew his kid's head off, one merely destroyed his own reputation and became a laughing stock. Such things can and do happen with guns with heavy double action triggers or manual safeties, but it's harder to make such egregious errors. Carrying a single action gun with no manual safety chamber loaded just makes it too easy for a split second brain fart to become a tragedy, IMHO.

No charges in accidental shooting of Deptford cop's son - NJ.com

YouTube - DEA AGENT SHOOTS OWN FOOT

The VAST majority of airline pilots over their multi-decade careers have never run a jetliner into the ground...even before computers helped out with the flight controls. I would think that the average 727 is a tad more complicated than your run of the mill semiauto pistol. Perhaps they are just getting lucky. Like the overwhelming majority of police officers and agents who carry and handle firearms every day and manage to never kill any innocent people in decades long careers. Lots of lucky ducklings out there.

And that DEA agent is hardly a professional. That seems to be quite obvious to me.

[seawolfxix]

Originally Posted by Agent 007

And that DEA agent is hardly a professional. That seems to be quite obvious to me.

QFT

Why was his finger on the trigger in the first place?


I am confident that my XD will never have an AD. It seems to be engineered very well.

[jstwrit]

Originally Posted by roscott

Seriously, you and me both. Yours is the best post yet!

[TopDog]

I once got my shirt caught in my holster when I got back in the car and put my weapon back in the holster, then when I got out again the gun popped out. That only happened because I chose to try to re holster while setting in the car. I will never do that again. I carry one in the pipe and if I have to re holster I do in standing up.

[techres]

So the argument seems to boil down to which is more safe:

• The Glock that could go off in a rare case of "clothing caught in in trigger guard during reholstering".
• The 1911 whose owner relies on the safety not having wiggled off during daily movement of firearm against holster/body.

Add to that the argument of speed to use, which is more "ready to action":

• The Glock that is unholstered and ready to go.
• The 1911 that needs one safety switched off and another constantly depressed.

Both of these assume the initial safety question is ended - that of whether or not to carry with one in the tube. So I will assume that debate is over.

Personally, I have carried all of the above and without accident. I, personally, like the 1911 and its manual safeties because they can slow down children if a weapon falls out of a holster and I know that with training I am able to use a manual side safety without fail. At the same time, I have had shots NOT go off in competition because the grip safety was not fully depressed and on rare occation I have had the manual safety switch off in the holster.

On the Glock side I like not having to remember the grip safety and I do not fear it detonating without me pulling the trigger. But I am VERY careful when I holster the weapon to make sure nothing is in the trigger guard. That is my only concern with it functionally. And to overcome the issue of dropping, I simply use a holster with a retention strap. Concern solved.

I carried a 1911 for some time. I now carry a glock. Why? Because it is lighter and frankly, because I happen to be more accurate with it. I wish my hand preferred the 1911 because I like it's feel and history better, but the pins fall faster with the Glock and that is all that matters at the end of the day...

And finally, I have never heard of a ND/AD in a holster, ever. In transition, yes and on all platforms. But keep in mind, if you follow the 4 rules, all will be well.

And as to the original question, I particularly remember a case when a robbery victim had the drop on two armed bad guys, lined up his shot pulled the trigger and hear a loud "click". They shot him while he racked his slide. Amazingly enough he killed one, wounded the other and lived to tell the tale. But he might have come out much, much better if he had been carrying one in the pipe.

[thompal]

Originally Posted by Agent 007

I'm really done talking to you. GUNS DON'T HAVE "ADs" BY THEMSELVES! Is it really that hard to understand that inanimate objects don't act on their own?

Why would I care if you change your opinion? I've presented my views, you've presented yours. Go forth, eat, drink and be merry.

The majority of armed professionals agree with me. That's warm and fuzzy enough for me.

Stop building straw men. I never said that a firearm would go off by itself.

If "the majority of armed professionals" thought you should whap yourself on the head, would that be good enough for you?

Go have your warm fuzzy. Just be careful re-holstering your safety-less pistol. You don't want to shoot yourself in the "upper leg" like some of the "professionals" have done.