Accidental Discharge when OC/CC?

[fpd9317]

Geez.......enough with the arguing on "my idea is better than yours". It all boils down to the safety rules. Follow them and your chances of an ND go wayyyyy down. Can they still happen......yes, and they can happen no matter what type of weapon you are carrying. If you would like me to detail out some of the ND's I have SEEN, then I can.

What this all means is if you are comfortable with your weapon, manual safety or internal safety, one in the pipe one out of the pipe......whatever, train with it, maintain it, and follow the rules and chances are you will never have to worry about it.


Now.........somebody post some pic's of some guns and quit *****in.

[Cwood]

How dare you make sense of all of this!

[esrice]

I'm a certified Glock nut. With that out of the way. . . .

Originally Posted by Joe Williams

Carrying a single action pistol with no manual safety with a round in the chamber is an extra risk.

Are you suggesting that a Glock is a single-action pistol? That is not quite true. Its actually a striker-fired "Safe Action" pistol. Pulling the trigger doesn't simply "drop the hammer", like a true single-action. It is also not a true DAO.

Originally Posted by thompal

Just be careful re-holstering your safety-less pistol.

This is also not true. Although Glocks do not have manual safeties, they have 3 passive safeties. This means that a round is fired only after a deliberate pull of the trigger to the rear.

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All that being said, it is my opinion that "safety" is a matter of mindset, and not mechanics.

Crowding a gun with internal locks and manual safeties complicates the weapon and could potentially make it more difficult to deploy effectively against an attacker in a stressful situation. That is not to say that you cannot train yourself to utilize a handgun with a manual safety (many have), just that it is a more complex manual of arms.

At the very least, I wouldn't advise anyone to constantly switch between carrying a DAO and a single-action, or a DA/SA and single-action. When the stuff hits the fan, you'll forget which gun you decided to carry that day.

[Disposable Heart]

Alright, I am going to pull this car over and cut a switch, tan all ya'll hides!

There is only one safety that means a damn! Its the one twixt thine ears! "Active" safety guns require more attention (keeping it on safe). "Safetyless" guns require more attention as well (keeping safe while on it?). But both require one thing: attention to detail. Depending on a passive or active safety or none to keep one safe is not the point: Its what one does with the gun, how they carry it and how they know how to employ it is what matters.

This crap about what type is better is gibberish with a capital GIBBER. All guns require intelligence and meaningful due dilligence. After reading the arguements here, it has turned into a brand war. Next, I guess folks will tell me that my brain (wired in Mexico, final assembly in Fort Walton Beach Florida ) isnt the correct one for a particular type of gun?

[techres]

Originally Posted by fpd9317

Geez.......enough with the arguing on "my idea is better than yours". It all boils down to the safety rules. Follow them and your chances of an ND go wayyyyy down. Can they still happen......yes, and they can happen no matter what type of weapon you are carrying. If you would like me to detail out some of the ND's I have SEEN, then I can.

What this all means is if you are comfortable with your weapon, manual safety or internal safety, one in the pipe one out of the pipe......whatever, train with it, maintain it, and follow the rules and chances are you will never have to worry about it.


Now.........somebody post some pic's of some guns and quit *****in.

OOOOH! I can do that:





Like I said, I like retention straps. I also like speed scabbards!

[fpd9317]

Now see..........thats what i'm talkin bout!!!!!


Don't we all feel better now??

[Disposable Heart]

God in his heaven, all is right with the world!

[Joe Williams]

Originally Posted by esrice

I'm a certified Glock nut. With that out of the way. . . .

Are you suggesting that a Glock is a single-action pistol? That is not quite true. Its actually a striker-fired "Safe Action" pistol. Pulling the trigger doesn't simply "drop the hammer", like a true single-action. It is also not a true DAO.
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Just to avoid another Glock bash fest, I would like to make clear that I'm not talking about ONLY Glocks. XDs, M&Ps, any other light triggered gun without a manual safety I'm not overly fond of. I like that the M&Ps are now available with manual safeties, and wish the others had the option.

[esrice]

Originally Posted by Joe Williams

Just to avoid another Glock bash fest, I would like to make clear that I'm not talking about ONLY Glocks. XDs, M&Ps, any other light triggered gun without a manual safety I'm not overly fond of. I like that the M&Ps are now available with manual safeties, and wish the others had the option.

Gotcha . "Light-triggered" I can understand. "Single-action" they (Glocks, XDs, M&Ps) are not.

Because I would certainly agree that a true single-action gun cocked and unlocked is a bad idea. Single-actions guns, like the 1911, do indeed need a manual thumb safety.

[Beau]

Originally Posted by thompal

Stop building straw men. I never said that a firearm would go off by itself.

If "the majority of armed professionals" thought you should whap yourself on the head, would that be good enough for you?

Go have your warm fuzzy. Just be careful re-holstering your safety-less pistol. You don't want to shoot yourself in the "upper leg" like some of the "professionals" have done.

If these professionals can't keep their finger off of the trigger while holstering, or pay attention to what they are doing, what makes you think that having a manual safety that they would first have to remember to engage make a difference?

I don't care if your firearm has zero safeties or twenty. The true safety, as already stated, is the one between your ears. All safeties be they internal or external have the ability to fail. So no matter what type of safety your pistols has you should always carry in a holster that completely cover the trigger. When unholstering/holstering always be aware of surroundings and keep pointed in a safe direction.