OCing and that Harvard Professor....

[wally05]

Originally Posted by Kirk Freeman

I can assure you that I most certainly do understand the prosecution does not have to follow through--I just wish they would choose this option more often.

Haha. If I ever screw up, I hope they choose that route also.

[aikidoka]

Has it been determined whether or not Gates ID helped clarify that it was his house? As I understand it he was renting so it's possible his ID didnt have the same address or even had an address.

Also, there was a report of two men. Gates initial reaction to the police would seem suspicious while they are trying to sort things out and only went south from there on, especially if his ID didn't clear it up.

Whatever the case, our President only made things worse for race relations after stating he didn't have all the facts. Good job Barry!

[jstwrit]

Originally Posted by bigg cheese

Just for the record, the individual who made the call, came out with a statement, saying there was no mention of black men. Just men.

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The guy won't come out of his house to to prove to the officer, who was there on a call of burglary, that he is who he says he is and that he is not under duress (gun to his head by a burglar). In a call like that for me, I hope the officer doesn't just take the word of the faceless individual shouting from inside my house.

That cop is receiving so much flak for nothing.

[aikidoka]

Barry really stepped in it.

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[j706]

Originally Posted by bigus_D

How often does an arresting officer file an arrest report wherein the arrest is not portrayed as a good arrest? I, honestly, don't see how reading this report is going to provide me any better understanding of what actually went down.

The fact is, both parties could have (and probably should have) handled the situation differently.

So basically what you are saying is that officers lie on their reports? I have made a lot of disorderly arrests. I would have also arrested the big mouth racist punk. No one has to like it.

[JustGone]

Originally Posted by bigg cheese

Just for the record, the individual who made the call, came out with a statement, saying there was no mention of black men. Just men.

Race Not Mentioned in Harvard Scholar 911 Call - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com


The guy won't come out of his house to to prove to the officer, who was there on a call of burglary, that he is who he says he is and that he is not under duress (gun to his head by a burglar). In a call like that for me, I hope the officer doesn't just take the word of the faceless individual shouting from inside my house.

That cop is receiving so much flak for nothing.

[bigus_D]

Originally Posted by j706

So basically what you are saying is that officers lie on their reports? I have made a lot of disorderly arrests. I would have also arrested the big mouth racist punk. No one has to like it.

Take it however you wish... but what I'm saying is "people lie." If they aren't overtly lying, they are at least bending the truth to make themselves look better. Maybe not always, but I'll go out on a limb and say more often than you seem to indicate.

I have read the report. I'm sure it was pretty much accurate. I'm sure he left out the parts about his own demenor, or comments, or whatever. Unless I missed it, he left out exactly how I he got into the house and then later talks about exiting the house... so clearly, he didn't include everything that was said.

But yes. If you are trying to say that every single police report ever filed was 100% accurate and true, then there is nothing I can say to sway your opinion. This is absolutely not true. Furthermore, if you are saying that there has never been a cop who abused his or her power, then I give up.

All I'm saying is that to all of you who are saying "the cop was 100% right"... there is no possible way you could KNOW that (not even by reading the police report). To all of those you are saying "the cop was 100% wrong." this is no possible way you could KNOW that. The truth is probably in the middle somewhere.

[Ramen]

The race issue, media coverage, and Obama's remarks have really clouded this whole issue.

Gates should never have been arrested because his racial profiling rant is protected speech. When you have asinine laws such as Disrupting the Public and Disturbing the Peace, you just set up your rights to be walked all over by the police. They are required to enforce the laws, even though the laws conflict with your constitutional rights.

Requiring a handgun license is the same way. It is why so many people choose not to open carry, because the police have to enforce the law, which is to make sure you have a license when they see your handgun (even though technically they should think you are breaking the law). This just leads to further stepping on our rights.

It is the fault of the police when it doesn't stop at just checking the license, it is the fault of the law that our rights are already infringed. If we didn't have to have a license, open carry would happen more often. I believe there would be a large drop in crime.

[wally05]

You think they are asinine until some idiot starts running all around your neighborhood yelling and screaming all night...

I think what has clouded the issue is the fact that everytime someone yells "racist cop," everyone instantly believes the cop was/is at fault.

HE DIDN'T ARREST HIM FOR SPEAKING HIS MIND, HE ARRESTED HIM FOR YELLING AND SCREAMING AND DISRUPTING THE PUBLIC.

Originally Posted by Ramen

The race issue, media coverage, and Obama's remarks have really clouded this whole issue.

Gates should never have been arrested because his racial profiling rant is protected speech. When you have asinine laws such as Disrupting the Public and Disturbing the Peace, you just set up your rights to be walked all over by the police. They are required to enforce the laws, even though the laws conflict with your constitutional rights.

Requiring a handgun license is the same way. It is why so many people choose not to open carry, because the police have to enforce the law, which is to make sure you have a license when they see your handgun (even though technically they should think you are breaking the law). This just leads to further stepping on our rights.

It is the fault of the police when it doesn't stop at just checking the license, it is the fault of the law that our rights are already infringed. If we didn't have to have a license, open carry would happen more often. I believe there would be a large drop in crime.

[mrjarrell]

Originally Posted by wally05

You think they are asinine until some idiot starts running all around your neighborhood yelling and screaming all night...

I think what has clouded the issue is the fact that everytime someone yells "racist cop," everyone instantly believes the cop was/is at fault.

HE DIDN'T ARREST HIM FOR SPEAKING HIS MIND, HE ARRESTED HIM FOR YELLING AND SCREAMING AND DISRUPTING THE PUBLIC.

There was no "public" involved. The man was on his private property. The reason the charges were dropped was that they were BS and did not rise to the level of the statute.