What is your threshold?

[SavageEagle]

Originally Posted by Shay VanVlymen

Probably not but SE gets to make his own choices. All I see it as is a waste of energy and a potential fire hazard.

You're probably right, but don't you think it would be a good advantage against multiple opponents downstairs from you? I would rather not have to use my gun unless I have to and anything I can do to get an advantage i'll try it. If you honestly think a warning shot is so bad maybe I should rethink my strategy. I always try to prepare for the worst and any help is much appreciated. Sorry if i came over as an ahole.

[Shay VanVlymen]

Originally Posted by SavageEagle

You're probably right, but don't you think it would be a good advantage against multiple opponents downstairs from you? I would rather not have to use my gun unless I have to and anything I can do to get an advantage i'll try it. If you honestly think a warning shot is so bad maybe I should rethink my strategy. I always try to prepare for the worst and any help is much appreciated. Sorry if i came over as an ahole.

If you want to use some item to change someone's behavior you should use something that doesn't leave the choice up to them. Smoke definitely has its uses but unless you are using commercial smoke grenades you probably aren't going to get the volume of smoke that would really be useful, it will tie up both of your hands to get something lit and you've just effectively thrown a flaming projectile down your stairs. Even commercial smoke grenades are pyrotechnic so I wouldn't recommend using them inside your home. Defending your castle is noble. Setting your own castle on fire is counterproductive.

If you want to throw something down your stairs to stop an attacker's advance, maybe something like a non-pyrotechnic OC fogger would more safely and effectively accomplish your goal?
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Smoke will not have any effects on a bad guy beyond visual screening and possibly acting as a psychological barrier. OC will have physiological effects that limit an attacker's ability to fight.

[SavageEagle]

Alright I'll check it out. How much does a good force on force class normally run? Anything I can do to learn how to protect my family I'm all for it.

[Shay VanVlymen]

Originally Posted by SavageEagle

Alright I'll check it out. How much does a good force on force class normally run? Anything I can do to learn how to protect my family I'm all for it.

Our 2 day Force on Force scenarios class, The Fight, is $400.


Force on Force is very high stress training and can be overwhelming unless you have built a good foundation. You need to have some idea of what you need to do legally and tactically before you are thrown into situations that will require you to make hard decisions in split seconds. I would not recommend you start your training with Force on Force rather, take a good live-fire class first to learn Mindset, tactics and skills and then test them in FoF.

But, with all that said, if I had only one day to train someone for a gun fight it would be ALL Force on Force.

[SavageEagle]

Appreciate the advice. I doubt I'll have the money for that type of training anytime soon. Although in the future it looks like a good investment.

[hunter480]

Originally Posted by SavageEagle

Although that might be your IYHO, IMHO a warning shot shows that I'm serious and if you keep coming that hole in the wall will be a hole in you. As it's been stated before in other threads, should I need more than 5-6 shots I'm in trouble anyway. Which is why I keep two loaded clips of 14 apiece. As far as the bullet hitting something critical or SOMEONE else i don't intend, That's just not a possibility where I would be postitioned and everything else in the house sits. The worst thing I could hit would be our refrigerator or kitchen sink/water purifier. It's all in the way the house is set up.

As far as the smoke bomb, its just a deturrent against coming up the stairs since they will know I'm armed by me stating very clearly and the fact that most people wouldn't walk into a gunfight if the room is filled with smoke. I have many options being upstairs as I have other rooms to retreat to and have the advantage of knowing where they are by the sounds they make in my own home.

I would guess, a, so called, warning shot would likely be considered reckless endangerment by law enforcement officials, because you`ve loosed a round that lands, who know`s where.

And I agree with the perception that it show`s no serious intent to be able to use lethal force. As far as I`m concerned, if the situation is serious enough to cause me to draw, and put my finger inside the trigger guard, actually on the trigger, I`m shooting to kill.

Next thing, you`ll say that after a warning shot, you`d shoot to wound.

[SavageEagle]

Ok ok just call me a dumbass WTFE. But don't assume and put words in my mouth. ALMOST never is there a reason to shoot to wound. But there is a time and place for that. Have you ever taken a life? I know I haven't and I hope I never have to. But I will if I have to. If it's my family and/or me, or them, it will always be them. But I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that can tell you taking a life isn't as cut and dry as it sounds. I can tell you that watching someone die and not being able to stop it is bad enough. But to be Officer, Judge, Jury, and Executioneer is something I think some people in here haven't put much thought into. And then there's others in here who seem itching for someone to walk into their house with evil intent for whatever reason. All that aside, I may look stupid for saying what I have, but I'm getting educated and helping others too. Although I'm sure those people aren't saying anything.

Disclaimer(LOL): Nothing I've said is directed to ANYONE on here. It's just personal observations from everything as a whole that I've read on here!

[GetA2J]

I'm no expert but I see two critical flaws in the scenario above from S.E.
1) The smoke bomb may very well shroud their position in the house creating a very difficult "accurate shot" I know he can tell exactly where someone is in his own home by the sounds they make; but firing over there by the coffee table because that's where that certain creek sound eminates from sounds dangerous at best.
2) If you fire a warning shot after the smoke bomb or at anytime in the dark or vision imapired environment. I can see that the muzzle flash will give away your position immediately. therefore unnecessarily exposing your location to someone who "I" would be trying to gain cover and concealment from.

Just my two cents.....

[hunter480]

Originally Posted by SavageEagle

Ok ok just call me a dumbass WTFE. But don't assume and put words in my mouth. ALMOST never is there a reason to shoot to wound. But there is a time and place for that. Have you ever taken a life? I know I haven't and I hope I never have to. But I will if I have to. If it's my family and/or me, or them, it will always be them. But I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that can tell you taking a life isn't as cut and dry as it sounds. I can tell you that watching someone die and not being able to stop it is bad enough. But to be Officer, Judge, Jury, and Executioneer is something I think some people in here haven't put much thought into. And then there's others in here who seem itching for someone to walk into their house with evil intent for whatever reason. All that aside, I may look stupid for saying what I have, but I'm getting educated and helping others too. Although I'm sure those people aren't saying anything.

Disclaimer(LOL): Nothing I've said is directed to ANYONE on here. It's just personal observations from everything as a whole that I've read on here!

Never once called you a dumbass, never once tried to put words in your mouth. But we do have a huge difference of opinion.

Nope, I`ve never taken a human life, and like you, I hope to never be put in that position.

Past that we disagree-I believe it`s sheer stupidity to imagine ever shooting to "wound". If I`m ever in the unfortunate position of having to fire my weapon is self defense, it`s shoot to kill only. The family members of the deceased may well sue me, but the assailant will not.

[SavageEagle]

GetA2J- Just to clarify, my plan was never to go down the stairs after them, Only to deter them from coming up the stairs. And I didn't say I would shoot at the sound, but mearly know before they reached the door of the room I was in before they got to it. I wouldn't be shooting blind because that is really really stupid. No only if they came up the stairs after me and my family would I fire.

Also, I spend my nights downstairs armed so it may never reach that point anyway. I probably won't have the time to get upstairs. I'll probably just have time to turn and shoot or turn say freeze and some vulgarities before firing.

Hunter480- You're right, it's almost always shoot to kill. But what if you encounter a terrorist and his buddies? What if you blow him away and he's the only one who can tell you OR the FBI where that Nuke he planted is? there are scenarios where shoot to wound is called for. Think a little more openly about this....