local police say open carry is illegal - Page 3

NateIU10 · 05-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Gryphon

I wonder what would transpire if say six, or half a dozen open carriers were to converge at one location that was sure to attract police attention?

So which one is it? 6 or a half dozen

ffftt:

But really, that would sound a lot like those guys who were recently hassled in PA (Dickson Dozen or something) and one of the guys was arrested. PA is no license required to OC either, so idk how it would work out...

AFA1CY · 05-25-2008

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Originally Posted by munky_3434

foxxie....i talked to two different officers yesterday and got the same answer. both said there was a city ordinance against open carry. one has been with the dept 20 plus years, the other....well he's a d!<k, and would look for any reason to give someone a hard time. so both should be plenty knowledgeable

IIRC A member of the GlockTalk Indiana forum asked the THPD to cite the ordinance, and was met with "the sound of crickets".

rhino · 05-25-2008

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Originally Posted by munky_3434

foxxie....i talked to two different officers yesterday and got the same answer. both said there was a city ordinance against open carry. one has been with the dept 20 plus years, the other....well he's a d!<k, and would look for any reason to give someone a hard time. so both should be plenty knowledgeable

Ask them to cite the ordinance number. Or even the section of the municipal code where it is.

They can't, because the ordinance does not exist.

Google for Terre Haute Municipal Code and read through it yourself.

THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT EXIST. THEY ARE EITHER IGNORANT OF THIS FACT OR LYING. THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBILITY.

rhino · 05-25-2008

Okay . . . for the google-impaired, here is a link to the City of Terre Haute, Indiana Municipal Code:

http://www.municode.com/resources/ga...d=50020&sid=14

If anyone can find an ordinance prohibiting open carry, feel free to cite it here and correct me. I will immediately admit my mistake and shut up about it.

Until then, THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT EXIST.

Kirk Freeman · 05-25-2008

rhino, these are officers of THE LAW, so they must know what they are doing.

In a deposition Friday, I asked a state cop about the importance of exculpatory evidence (they did not turn over a video tape on an OWI), the state cop had no idea what exculpatory meant and finally admitted that she could not define it.

Right then, these THPD threads are becoming a headache so remember this: the worst possible person to ask what the law is is a cop. Cops make it up as they go along and insert their own views for the law. Stop asking cops. That is all.

rhino · 05-25-2008

Oh, yeah?? Well, what the heck do YOU know about the law, Mister British Smarty-Pants! Did YOU graduate from law school? Did YOU pass the bar exam? Have YOU practiced law in Indiana for more than ten years? Hmm???

Oh, that's right. You did.

munky_3434 · 05-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Kirk Freeman

Right then, these THPD threads are becoming a headache so remember this: the worst possible person to ask what the law is is a cop. Cops make it up as they go along and insert their own views for the law. Stop asking cops. That is all.

true, but i was just posting what i was told by two different officers. my intent was to alleviate any potential headaches he would have in the area.and while you know the law foward and back,just like you said, cops make it up as they go along. if two officers have the same idea in their heads the likelyhood is high others would have the same idea.it can be as legal as the day is long, but if all the locals think it is'nt there could be a problem.

Kirk Freeman · 05-25-2008

munky, yes, of course you are quite correct.

I believe the best thing to do is what I did in Wheatfield: when the cop quotes you "the law", tell him to go get the statute or call a supervisor. That kept me from having to see the inside the Jasper County jail.

munky_3434 · 05-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Kirk Freeman

I believe the best thing to do is what I did in Wheatfield: when the cop quotes you "the law", tell him to go get the statute or call a supervisor.

, bad part is too few people educated enough to do that. or in the case of the police here in brazil, if you ask them anything you basically get arrested for f'ing with the police. my town is lawsuit waiting to happen

rhino · 05-25-2008

munky... the next time you talk to those guys, really do ask them to cite the ordinance. When they can't, helpfully suggest that they might want to rethink enforcing a law that does not exist.

We can give them the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe they are just ignorant of the law, and could benefit from this information.

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05-25-2008	#24 (permalink)
rhino Somewhat Purple-ish Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,134	Okay . . . for the google-impaired, here is a link to the City of Terre Haute, Indiana Municipal Code: http://www.municode.com/resources/ga...d=50020&sid=14 If anyone can find an ordinance prohibiting open carry, feel free to cite it here and correct me. I will immediately admit my mistake and shut up about it. Until then, *THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT EXIST.*

05-25-2008	#25 (permalink)
Kirk Freeman Director At Large, ISRPA Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: downtown Lafayette, Indiana Posts: 278	rhino, these are officers of THE LAW, so they must know what they are doing. In a deposition Friday, I asked a state cop about the importance of exculpatory evidence (they did not turn over a video tape on an OWI), the state cop had no idea what exculpatory meant and finally admitted that she could not define it. Right then, these THPD threads are becoming a headache so remember this: the worst possible person to ask what the law is is a cop. Cops make it up as they go along and insert their own views for the law. Stop asking cops. That is all.

05-25-2008	#26 (permalink)
rhino Somewhat Purple-ish Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,134	Oh, yeah?? Well, what the heck do *YOU* know about the law, Mister British Smarty-Pants! Did *YOU* graduate from law school? Did *YOU* pass the bar exam? Have *YOU* practiced law in Indiana for more than ten years? Hmm??? Oh, that's right. You did.

05-25-2008	#28 (permalink)
Kirk Freeman Director At Large, ISRPA Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: downtown Lafayette, Indiana Posts: 278	munky, yes, of course you are quite correct. I believe the best thing to do is what I did in Wheatfield: when the cop quotes you "the law", tell him to go get the statute or call a supervisor. That kept me from having to see the inside the Jasper County jail.

05-25-2008	#30 (permalink)
rhino Somewhat Purple-ish Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,134	munky... the next time you talk to those guys, really do ask them to cite the ordinance. When they can't, helpfully suggest that they might want to rethink enforcing a law that does not exist. We can give them the benefit of the doubt and choose to believe they are just ignorant of the law, and could benefit from this information.