LEO run in 2 times in 30 min.

[wtfd661]

Sorry Bill, but you don't think his statement of them "waving around guns in public" isn't a little inflammatory and then going on to speak about his negative experiences with the "GIMP" that he dealt with isn't a little bashing. I know when I'm not at a incident then I'm not going to judge what occurred or didn't occur as if I had been there. Since the OP seemed to feel that it was a positive experience then my assumption would have been, and is, that the officer handled the gun professionally and not recklessly, therefore didn't needlessly endanger the public. But what the heck do I know, I've only been doing this type of work for over 22 yrs now.

[PatMcGroyne]

All turned out well when the Officer determined that my cane, beside me in the front-seat, was not a very lethal weapon. Word came in to our Vet's Post that a cop (yes, derisive, in this case only) was trolling at the byways near our club, seeking DDs. He had a new 'flash-light / alcohol detector' and was checking out most cars that came down the road. For any reason. Our Club has an OpenCarry policy (NO concealed allowed) so the cop was pretty sure I was carrying. He asked, and I showed my G-, released the magazine and put it up on the dash, locked the slide, and handed him my pink slip and the gun. "Why did you remove that magazine?" "Because accidents happen; that weapon will still fire, so keep it safe." My numbers all matched, and the meeting went no further. We both learned something valuable. Pat

[IndyBeerman]

Originally Posted by Bill of Rights

WTFD, I don't see his post as a bash on LEOs. Personally, if I'm asked to hand over my firearm, I'll be dropping the mag as it leaves the holster and probably racking the slide back to hand it over unloaded, action open.

I don't speak for Kirk and I hope he'll correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think he was probably referring to the passing of a loaded firearm as being by definition reckless, no matter who's doing it. Similarly, if one person is passing a firearm to another, esp. one without any external mechanical safety other than it taking a deliberate pull of the trigger to fire it, (Yes, I'm thinking of Glocks specifically but not exclusively), all it takes is a slipped grip and a slight fumble and a round is fired in a random direction (due to the lost grip)

Again, ANYONE can do have this happen. The only thing that makes this particular situation seem like a bash on LEOs is that no one else has the backing of the law to compel someone to hand over their firearm.

Well said Bill, it's not about bashing a LEO, it's about proper handling of a firearm, it you are not familiar with it, the chances of something happening greatly increase. Especially when you factor in having to hand the firearm across person to a LEO standing on the outside of a vehicle leaning in and starting to grasp just as perhaps a semi or another vehicle comes by and is close enough to create that vacum effect to throw them off balance. That's all that needs to happen for slight boble that can set off a drastic chain of events resulting in a AD.

Now that being said, I have only been asked once to give up my firearm and I asked the officer if he would like me to drop the mag and lock the slide back. The officer replied graciously with a "Yes, thank you I may not be familar with it"

[stiffy]

Originally Posted by Bill of Rights

To the OP: Did the officer ask if you'd been drinking or did you volunteer the info? I agree with telling the truth if asked, but I see no need to volunteer that you've engaged in completely lawful behavior.

i did not say a word until he asked me a question. he asked if i had been drinking.

[MolonLabe]

Originally Posted by BloodEclipse

Why exactly would you have the need to produce ID in the first place?
So what if you had been drinking?
No harm in getting a ride home.

You can be arrested for public intoxication in the passenger seat of a vehicle.

If the officer can articulate that, based on looks, he thought the person was under age, he's got the right to ask for the ID. Remember, an officer only needs a reasonable suspicion that a crime has, is, or is about to occur to ask for a person's ID. It would be quite simple to articulate that a person appeared to be 18 years old, thus making the ID request perfectly legal.

[gomez.ra8]

Originally Posted by stiffy

I was not going to post this but i cant sleep right now... Over the weekend i was riding with a friend back to my place from broadripple, she was stopped by metro on kessler for a burnt headlight. He did the normal routine asker her if she had been drinking, leaned in to smell her breath and all that good stuff. After he decided she was ok he moved on to me. i told him that i had a couple beers so he asked for my ID. At that point i told him that i had my carry weapon on me(i didnt want to reach for the wallet and risk him seeing the gun). He asked where it was, i told him on my back. He asked that i pull it out slowly and hand it to him. I leaned over so it was completly visible and handed it to him. he went back to his car with the gun and both licenses for about 5 min. He brought it back unloaded and said have a nice night. We stopped and bought a new bulb but did not put it in at the store because i couldnt fit my hands behind the housing... anyway a mccordsville car ended up turning around and following us for a couple miles and hit his lights one house before mine. he asked for her license and registration, as she was getting it out she told him we were pulled over about 20 min ago for the headlight. i told him i had my carry weapon. he asked what it was, i said a 9mm. he asked what brand, i told him then he handed her stuff back and left without checking anything...

Those are the only run ins ive had and i didnt feel uncomfotable at any point. they were both polite and didnt even write a ticket for the headlight. ill have to remember to get names next time...

Ive had great experiences from just about every lafayette/purdue cop. Besides one exception. One lafayette officer refused to believe my permit was valid, and made me sit on the curb for about 20 minutes while he checked.

[Indecision]

Glad everything worked out well for ya.

[zebov]

Handing a loaded handgun over a person in a cramped car to someone putting their hand in the window seems awkward to me. I probably would have asked if I could unload it first. I dunno, I don't like handing off loaded firearms between people... probably something that's stuck from my childhood years shooting with the extended family.

[haldir]

I guess I am the proverbial fat middle aged white guy because, although I have been pulled over a few times over the years, I was always treated well and never ended up with a ticket.
Over in Mishawka, I got pulled over for a burnt out headlight and the officer pulled me over just to let me know. I didn't even notice any sniffing. He seemed sincere to me. I ended up in the back of a squad car here in Goshen a few years ago because I had expired tags and had forgotten my wallet so no license. He just got enough info to positively ID me over the radio then gave me a warning to get my registration renewed. What was really surprising about getting off on that one was I had been an arse and wouldn't let the officer change lanes in front of me, that was why he was behind me and saw the expired plates. I do the yes, sir, thank you sir and don't act like an butthead. I think that goes a long way with them.

[alfahornet]

Reading through this threadthe discussion has somewhat shifted topics from one stop to another. I have never been stopped when carrying. But if I do I would not have a problem if the cop ran my license, I just expect it to be part of the stop.

Also, if you're a Tippecanoe resident and you have an LTCH a Tippecanor county (all PD and sheriff) cop will know that once he runs your DL that you have an LTCH. They enter it into their system which is fine with me.