The Open Carry Argument

[SSGSAD]

Originally Posted by ATM

I know we've been around this block a few times here but I ran across a link to this post and thought that it was one of the best written pieces I had read on the subject.

The author expounds on many of the points that have been debated in several different threads here and across many other forums for years.

Since this post captures so much and adds a bit that I don't recall even seeing here before, I will give it its own thread instead of burying it on page 10 of one of the existing threads.

Long but very interesting read IMO.

(source link) The Open Carry Argument





ETA: If you didn't already, go back and click the BLUE link. It is well worth the additional reading.

I can attest to that, I managed an armored car company, for a while, all our guards were armed and in uniform, I had a messenger in a place of business, and the bad guy hung out in the business, until my man got in the armored truck, and was out of sight....He then robbed the place, during the police interview, he admitted he did not want a confrontation with my armed guard.....

[bass pro]

oc or cc the best idea is to stay away from situations that may require you to use a gun.

[Joe Williams]

Originally Posted by kingnereli

Opinion or not, don't you need to have some sort of rational argument to go on? snip

To be honest, I don't think he does. It's always a possibility. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't sooner or later. If the possiblity would make him uncomfortable carrying, then the discomfort alone is good reason for him to stick to CC, IMHO.

[Jack Ryan]

Expecting any thing from any "deterrent" factor is nothing more than going in to the situation bluffing or counting of the bluff factor.

You can't bluff your way through every single day.

[ATM]

Originally Posted by Jack Ryan

Expecting any thing from any "deterrent" factor is nothing more than going in to the situation bluffing or counting of the bluff factor.

You can't bluff your way through every single day.

Who's bluffing?

...the hyena can see the lion’s teeth and knows to stay well clear.

The lion is neither bluffing nor counting on the hyena to stay away.

Staying away from lions is just what cowardly hyenas do.

[MACHINEGUN]

You should be a salesman for Open Carry.. then someone might care.

[kingnereli]

Originally Posted by Joe Williams

To be honest, I don't think he does. It's always a possibility. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't sooner or later. If the possiblity would make him uncomfortable carrying, then the discomfort alone is good reason for him to stick to CC, IMHO.

You may be right and no one needs to justify their carry choice by me. It is just that as common as opinions are I offer more respect to those that are clearly logically deduced. It would be like someone who is uncomfortable setting foot in the woods for fear of a bear attack. It is a highly unlikely event (though seemingly more likely then OC gun grabs) but it may happen sooner or latter. Would that person's discomfort be sufficient reason to stay out of the woods. Sure, probably. Is it just plain silly. Yeah, probably.

The silliness doesn't really come through in the OC vs. CC debate because so much of the gun culture is oriented around individual rights and "to each his own"(as it should be.) We tend to be very accepting about other people's personal choices whether we agree or not. That too is a good thing. Although an unfortunate result is that we tend to be very indifferent to personal choices in which the person has every right to hold, but happen to have little bases in reality.

Personally I would hate to see anyone give up OC or CC entirely. I think the gun community is best served by a mixture of the two. I am so avid about OC simply because, in my experience and observation, OC and CC haven't yet reached an ideal balance. There are still rumors and misinformation repeated about some imagined consequences and risks of OC. When I see carry choices made based on that abounding misunderstanding I'm just a little disheartened.

[jdhaines]

I carry concealed myself, but that was a very well thought out essay which included some ideas I hadn't thought of. It at least makes you think about his points and how you can counter them...if you can counter them...with my/your CC ideas. Hmm.

[Jack Ryan]

Originally Posted by ATM

Who's bluffing?



The lion is neither bluffing nor counting on the hyena to stay away.

Staying away from lions is just what cowardly hyenas do.

OK if you say so. Seems to me after reading a lot of "lions" around here promoting wearing their teeth on their sleeve for the main reason of "deterrent". It's about their biggest arguement, "deterrent". Funny thing is all the teeth for sale around here never seem to have been used and are all "NIB" or used no more than a couple times. ROTFL

[infidel]

I don't get it Jack, could you clarify? Because there are guns for sale on an internet forum means they don't deter criminals?