IDS: Armed teachers will likely endanger the safety of Texas students

[NateIU10]

I must have totally missed the part of the article where it wasn't allowing everyone to carry, wow. I read it in my 15 minute break between class and can't find it online, but I agree with everything you have laid out below Josh. Gotta read better I guess

Originally Posted by Soundslikejosh

No, no it hasnt.

However, the PRO-2A article was a breath of fresh air. Not a large breath, but a breath nonetheless. Sort of.

In the "pro" RKBA article the author laid out a pretty good argument about why the ability to defend one's self is important. Then she concluded her article by saying that IU should allow a small contingent of known CCW people to carry. Essentially a free security system, with strings attached. IU has your name and chooses to allow (or disallow) you to carry at their whim, but the invitation is not extended to everyone. Her line of reasoning seems to be that it would be easy/better/safer if the University had some control and didn't allow CCW to just anybody.

Maybe she has missed something. First, this is a right, not a privilege. We aren't asking IU to do us a favor. We are telling them "this is bullshit" and that we won't accept anything short of a full surrender. Don't steal my house and then try to bargain a price to sell it back to me.

Second, what committee decides who should be on their list of "OK to carry" people? What are the BS criteria, and how many times will they change the rules in the middle of the game?

Thirdly, there is no way I am allowing IU to put me on a list. Why should we in any way trust them to administrate this system when they are the ones who ruined it in the first place? I don't think it's necessary to elaborate further.

Lastly, so many people seem to be missing the fact that IU simply needs to leave the issue alone. Delete the rule banning carry of campus, and more forward. Laws already exist to deal with crime and unlawful carry. We don't need them sticking their heads in it. I am pissed off that some portion of my tuition goes to fund a committee of lib-tards sitting around discussing why I shouldn't be allowed to manage my own self. The state already has a system for managing LTCH, allow it to work as designed.

On a final inflammatory note, similar to "don't steal my house and bargain a deal to sell it back", don't make this an issue about CCW. Welcome to Indiana where we have a LTCH. Like it or not, OC is a right just the same way CC is. Choose what you wish, but don't throw OC under the bus while bartering with a group of idiots about why they should mind their own business and not trample your rights.

[Soundslikejosh]

I started out so pleased and it went down hill quickly.

:(

[NateIU10]

Originally Posted by Soundslikejosh

I started out so pleased and it went down hill quickly.

:(

I'll be sure to ask her about the stipulations next time we talk Some people don't see the harm in requiring training, requiring permission or being on "a list", but I will definitely share some of my thoughts with her.

ETA: I also think it is easier for her to try to argue her point by giving these preconditions, even though they are complete and utter crap

[techres]

I missed where the sample gates got metal detectors. Or where there were guards at 3rd & Jordan. Or frisking at the yearly dreidel spin. Or a checked perimeter....

Oh, wait, it is an honor system. Except bad people have no honor and instead bet that you do in order to do their evil.

It is beyond silly. It is somewhere near the corner of silly & dangerous.

[Soundslikejosh]

I surely hope you aren't suggesting...

[techres]

Originally Posted by Soundslikejosh

I surely hope you aren't suggesting...

I suggest nothing. I am just happy to be a free member of the Hoosier state and not a student of tax payer supported school that puts its students into a position to make difficult choices.

[Feign]

Think it would cause a scene if I OC'ed near Union at around 12pm on a Wednesday?

I'm not a student.

[NateIU10]

Originally Posted by Feign

Think it would cause a scene if I OC'ed near Union at around 12pm on a Wednesday?

I'm not a student.

I've OCed on Kirkwood broad daylight and on weekend days, and I am a student. No problems.

[Soundslikejosh]

Originally Posted by Feign

Think it would cause a scene if I OC'ed near Union at around 12pm on a Wednesday?

I'm not a student.

Nope. The Students For Concealed Carry on Campus orchestrated an "empty holster protest" where participants wore their holster exposed but empty, as a symbol of our inability to defend ourselves. Very few people noticed. I had many people not even notice until I told them. I can understand that in passing, you might not notice, but I had to point it out to people who I had been engaging in conversation for several minutes.

You can be pretty assured the students wouldn't notice. It's hassle from the administration that most people fear. The students can notice or not, I don't really care, they have no ability to reprimand me. The University does, sadly, so we can't risk it with them.

[Annie]

Originally Posted by jontheturboguy

GO BLOW IT OUT THERE HAPPY BUNNY SAVE THE WHALES WE ALL CAN LIVE WITH FLOWERS AND BIRDIES GOLDEN FAIRY I SHIT RAINBOWS ASS.

Rep'd for creativity.