Cleveland 12 yr old with toy gun shot in park

[Vlad the Impaler]

Sad. Boy with toy gun shot in park after police called.

Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police - Toledo Blade

 

[Bluejeeper]

Very sad news.

But if it turns out to have happened as reported, I can't see any blame on the LEOs. If it turns out that the kid did not reach for/grab the toy gun, that will be a different story. We'll just have to wait and see.

Side note: I saw a bunch of comments screaming for laws against "toy killing machines"

 

[bradmedic04]

I think the title of this thread should be "Cleveland 12yr old with toy gun shot in park" because it presently sounds like he was shot by a toy gun, which is only news if he brought it to school.

 

[joncon]

Another Ferguson in the making?? I hope not.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Outrage over this would be more understandable than Ferguson.
I did word the title badly!

 

[heavyhitter1k]

Here's the thing that bugs me about the majority of the commentors on this article online: The same people who say all guns are bad and scary and need to be taken away etc are justifying the kid to be allowed to posess a bb gun that is just like a real gun.

And the "he's only 12" doesn't mean anything if that was a real gun. IDC if you are 4 or 40, if its a real gun (which assuming the cop thought it was) don't point it at people....

That being said, sad to hear that a young boy lost his life.

 

[BiscuitNaBasket]

Another Ferguson in the making?? I hope not.

The article was written as such.

...no racial ties...

so let's make some up!

 

[GlockRock]

Outrage over this would be more understandable than Ferguson.
I did word the title badly!

How so?

 

[223 Gunner]

Unfortunately these are the times we live in. We have created a society that is hyper sensitive to guns. When we have people like Shannon Watts "demanding action", because she is scared or intimidated when she sees someone exercising their rights.
I can see some scared Mom on the playground at the park calling the Police, because she saw a gun. Be it fake or real. This kind of stuff has got to stop.

 

[singlesix]

Unfortunately these are the times we live in. We have created a society that is hyper sensitive to guns. When we have people like Shannon Watts "demanding action", because she is scared or intimidated when she sees someone exercising their rights.
I can see some scared Mom on the playground at the park calling the Police, because she saw a gun. Be it fake or real. This kind of stuff has got to stop.

So what should have happened? From the article seems the caller wasn't "freaking out", how should this have played out? Everyone should just go about their business because a kid in a park pointing a gun is what OK?

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

How so?

Just my perception of how folks may jump to conclusions.
I could understand people being more upset about the early demise of a 12 year old playing with a toy gun in a park than I can about an 18 year old who just strong arm robbed a store and attacked a police officer.
The facts will come out; how folks accept them can be interesting.

 

[Yup!]

Your actions determine the outcome. Regardless of the "orange tip" or not pointing it at someone is a bad idea.

pretty soon we are going to see a cop killed because the perp painted the tip of his real gun Orange and the cop didn't fire because it was a fake looking gun.

real simple, if you don't want to get shot, quit being stupid.

 

[GlockRock]

Just my perception of how folks may jump to conclusions.
I could understand people being more upset about the early demise of a 12 year old playing with a toy gun in a park than I can about an 18 year old who just strong arm robbed a store and attacked a police officer.
The facts will come out; how folks accept them can be interesting.

In the mind of the 12 year old, he may have been playing. I don't see it that way at all. Pointing a toy gun modified to look like a real one isn't playing. Disobeying the police when ordered to show your hands isn't playing. Grabbing for a real looking toy gun in your waistband while disobeying the police is not playing. I see this as a good shoot by the police as long as the facts we've been presented are accurate. It is sad that a 12 year old is dead due to this,but I dont see it justifying the protesting or rioting more than Ferguson.

 

[JMoses]

This article has a picture of the toy pistol the boy had.

Cleveland boy, 12, shot and killed by police over fake gun - CBS News

 

[Yup!]

On the fox59 fb feed, many are asking for the cops to shoot him in the leg, not aim to kill...

unreal...

 

[223 Gunner]

This article has a picture of the toy pistol the boy had.

Cleveland boy, 12, shot and killed by police over fake gun - CBS News

It does look like a real gun. I can see why the boy was shot.

 

[singlesix]

I assume in Ohio you have to be 18 to buy a air gun? First reaction was what kind of idiot of a parent allows this boy to have a air pistol without training him, than I remember of the stunts I pulled over my parents and what my son did. Sad for the family, sad for the police officer, sad for the city.

 

[JMoses]

It does look like a real gun. I can see why the boy was shot.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. From a distance, you wouldn't be about to tell if it was real or not.

 

[Cool Breeze]

I play airsoft with my youth group kids and have several guns. They are ridiculously accurate in appearance. My airsoft 1911 grips are interchangeable with a real 1911, Airsoft Glock 17- I believe the front fiber sight could be installed in a real one, and my airsoft 870's also have interchangeable parts with real ones. As mentioned, a BG could simply paint the front of his real gun and at least get the upper hand.

 

[jsgolfman]

So, why didn't dispatch relay all of the details to the patrol officers? The caller indicated that the gun may or may not be real, said it looked fake, but the dispatcher didn't tell the officers this fact.