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    Quote Originally Posted by BumpShadow View Post
    Ok, so they "ban" us. Just like Iraq "banned" PSC from operating in their country. They'll "ban" us, and we'll do it anyway because they can't really stop us. Personally I think that saying their going to "ban" us is a ploy to gin up support from their populace from election reasons, or a ploy to charge a higher fee from us. Or both. Either way it doesn't really change anything.

    orly?


    NATO relies on the land routes to ship 2/3 of its supplies to Afghanistan. They CAN stop us, and they have (at least for now). How would you like it if Pakistan and their "militants" declared open hunting season on US convoys?
    Us giving them MORE money doesnt change anything? No wonder we are 15 trillion in debt. keep spending, "it doesnt change anything." Give our enemies more money, "it doesnt change anything." etc etc. We borrow money from China, to give to their ally Pak. Giving our enemies money to arm themselves or do whatever they are doing with that money, DOES change things. And throwing money at the problem (especially involving other countries) is a horrible foreign policy solution. Its a band aid fix and will do nothing to garner support from their populace. We are just making more enemies and more than likely more terrorists out of these strategies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boiled Owl View Post
    Every now and then I like to look at the perspective of "placing the shoe on the other foot". Imagine if it was our troops being killed on our border?

    "They really can't stop us" No that's for sure, even our own electorate cannot stop it. We pretty much operate without impunity.

    "Either way it doesn't really change anything" I'm afraid you're right!
    You're welcome to put the shoe on the other foot if you want. The situations are actually analogous. We have Mexican troops coming across our Southern borders and killing our citizens, but the Mexican government - with some justification - disavows them and we let them get away with it. If a nation fails to maintain its sovereignty by failing to secure its borders, it is subject to invasion by any force which wishes to do so and must put up with the consequences unless it takes EFFECTIVE steps to secure its borders.
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    Exclamation Pakistan PM angry at continued breach of sovereignty

    Pakistan PM: No more business as usual with US
    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani warned the United States that there would be 'no more business as usual' with Washington after a NATO attack that killed two dozen Pakistani troops.

    In an interview with an American news channel Monday, Gilani said that Pakistan was re-evaluating its relationship with the United States.

    He said Pakistan wanted to maintain its relationship with the United States as long as there was mutual respect for Pakistan's sovereignty.

    Gilani highlighted incidents such as the killing of the Pakistani troops and a US raid into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden as violations of the country's sovereignty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambone View Post
    Yeah, kinda hard to go about business as usual when you know you're the one that effed up and got your guys killed.

    The rest of that is just political posturing and one helluva deflection job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 88GT View Post
    Yeah, kinda hard to go about business as usual when you know you're the one that effed up and got your guys killed.

    The rest of that is just political posturing and one helluva deflection job.
    Why do you say that?
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    Because of this: Pakistanis Admit to Firing First in Recent Attack. Firing mortars isn't exactly the proper way to say "hi" to your "allies".
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    Yep. Big liars. My question is; why haven't "we" jumped all over this?
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    2 things you must realize about this Border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
    1.) It's Location shifts Daily, plus or minus over 5 Kilometers a day, almost every day.
    2.) The other thing is this is the Frontier Provinces for the Pakistani's not exactly where they send there best, actually it is usually considered punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pudly View Post
    Because of this: Pakistanis Admit to Firing First in Recent Attack. Firing mortars isn't exactly the proper way to say "hi" to your "allies".
    Still seems to boil down to U.S. troops being where they don't belong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rambone View Post
    Still seems to boil down to U.S. troops being where they don't belong.
    Where do you draw this conclusion from? Unless you are trying to make a bigger point that they shouldn't be in Afghanistan altogether.

    I don't believe I read anywhere in that article that they were actually in Pakistani territory and why would they not be in the area close to the border to try and intercept insurgent fighters?
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