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  • Mgderf

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    I wouldn't hold my breath, but then again, in today's geo-politically screwed up world, I wouldn't bet against it either.
     

    Henry

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    Scotland arranged a political solution, they did not declare war on the United Kingdom. The CSA started a war over slavery.

    The Constitution of the united States provided the arranged political solution in the Tenth Amendment. Lincoln started the war when he chose not to respect that process.

    I think there is another thread on that topic.
     

    Kirk Freeman

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    The Constitution of the united States provided the arranged political solution in the Tenth Amendment. Lincoln started the war when he chose not to respect that process.

    Tenth Amendment permits War on the United States? Who is telling you this neo-Confederate nonsense?

    The historical records is clear, the Cornerstone of the Confederacy was White Supremacy and Slavery and that is why the South went to war.

    He was a politician. He was just protecting his power, not his views.

    Good grief, Lincoln left the Whig Party to join the Republican Party. A party devoted to fighting slavery. He was a politician acting upon his beliefs.
     

    HoughMade

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    The War of the Rebellion was most certainly fought over state's rights.....specifically, the right of states to protect one person's "property rights" to another human being....and maybe some other stuff that was less important to the CSA's movers and shakers.

    Heroes, I tells ya!
     

    steveh_131

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    Kirk Freeman said:
    He was a politician acting upon his beliefs.

    His belief that the Union should win the war. Not that people shouldn't be slaves.

    That is what he said, after all.

    “What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.” --Abraham Lincoln
     

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    I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. --Abraham Lincoln

    He actually wanted to ship them all back to Africa, so that they wouldn't interbreed with the race with the 'superior position'.

    I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. --Abraham Lincoln
     
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    Kirk Freeman

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    The South was fighting to keep slavery; Lincoln was fighting to keep the Union and abolish slavery. Lincoln wanted to attack slavery long before he was President.

    Lincoln long spoke against slavery:

    A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half-slave and half-free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.

    Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.

    I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel

    In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free - honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just - a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless

    Without slavery the rebellion could never have existed; without slavery it could not continue.
     

    steveh_131

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    Kirk Freeman said:
    The South was fighting to keep slavery; Lincoln was fighting to keep the Union and abolish slavery

    Except when he wasn't posturing during a Republican campaign speech, he said:

    “What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.” --Abraham Lincoln

    While he may have personally opposed slavery, he still considered the race to be inferior and wanted them deported.
     

    Expat

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    Going back to the topic at hand...

    I haven't looked it up this go around but the last time that I heard about this proposal, several years back, I read that Scotland sucks much more at the socialist UK teat than they pay into the system. So this could be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
     

    9mmfan

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    I think it will cost them a lot more money than they think to go it alone. Pay for their own government. Their own military.
     
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