NYT proves it! White privilege is "real"

[cobber]

How would a Yale Law prof know what is real and what isn't? God the NYT has fallen on hard times to print such drivel. (All the news...)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/o...p-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region

Research in Australia for starters. And then lots of surmise and hypotheticals. What a sorry little column, and what moved the NYT to publish this now? At all?

He's a professional race wh*re, if you check his publications. Surprised Al Sharpton wasn't the co-author.

 

[D-Ric902]

I keep looking for my privilege,
havent found it yet

 

[Kutnupe14]

I keep looking for my privilege,
havent found it yet

That's because it's not obvious to those that benefit from it. There's certainly a kind of black privilege too, but due to pure numbers it's more common with the majority.

 

[ModernGunner]

What a pants load.

 

[Que]

Tim Wise is a leading authority and scholar in this area and it does exist. I enjoy his talks because be provides context for our many forms of division and solutions to bring unity.

[video=youtube_share;J3Xe1kX7Wsc]http://youtu.be/J3Xe1kX7Wsc[/video]

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[ModernGunner]

Tim Wise's opinion is just that, an opinion. Doesn't matter if Wise (or anyone else) is a 'scholar' or not. At one point in time 'scholars' stated the Earth was flat, too.

Being a 'leading authority' is meaningless. Thought politicians proved that beyond question decades ago.

Unless Wise can prove such a claim empirically, it's still just an opinion.

And his opinion is no better, nor carries any greater weight, than any other.

Empirical facts are facts, all else is opinion.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Tim Wise's opinion is just that, an opinion. Doesn't matter if Wise (or anyone else) is a 'scholar' or not. At one point in time 'scholars' stated the Earth was flat, too.

Being a 'leading authority' is meaningless. Thought politicians proved that beyond question decades ago.

Unless Wise can prove such a claim empirically, it's still just an opinion.

And his opinion is no better, nor carries any greater weight, than any other.

Empirical facts are facts, all else is opinion.

Do you think Wise's arguments are logical?

 

[ModernGunner]

Do you think Wise's arguments are logical?

No, but they're his opinions, and Wise is entitled to them. As is everyone else, equally.

 

[churchmouse]

There are advantages and disadvantages attached to any group or social class.
I have worked my A$$ off my whole life. If my being of Euro white persuasion had anything to do with it I could not see it for the sweat.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No, but they're his opinions, and Wise is entitled to them. As is everyone else, equally.

Of course they are opinions. They're just framed around various historical instances, to formulate a conclusion. Assuming you believe in white privilege, how do you think it began. Or do you simply not believe it ever existed? I personally believe it exists, but obviously not nearly on the same scale as it did 100, or hell, even 20 years ago. I believe it death is rapidly approaching, but I certainly believe it still exists.

 

[Kutnupe14]

There are advantages and disadvantages attached to any group or social class.
I have worked my A$$ off my whole life. If my being of Euro white persuasion had anything to do with it I could not see it for the sweat.

Exactly, but it's only made obvious, when youre part of the group that isn't seeing the benefits.

 

[Que]

Tim Wise's opinion is just that, an opinion. Doesn't matter if Wise (or anyone else) is a 'scholar' or not. At one point in time 'scholars' stated the Earth was flat, too.

Being a 'leading authority' is meaningless. Thought politicians proved that beyond question decades ago.

Unless Wise can prove such a claim empirically, it's still just an opinion.

And his opinion is no better, nor carries any greater weight, than any other.

Empirical facts are facts, all else is opinion.

Wouldn't history and lessons learned qualify as empirical facts?

 

[churchmouse]

Exactly, but it's only made obvious, when youre part of the group that isn't seeing the benefits.

Understood.

Nothing was ever given to me. Earned everything I ever had. Anything free came with a price tag.
Did the training so I could do the work. Made the initial efforts to get started.
I see your point and can not argue that in some instances and some areas of society it exists.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Understood.

Nothing was ever given to me. Earned everything I ever had. Anything free came with a price tag.
Did the training so I could do the work. Made the initial efforts to get started.
I see your point and can not argue that in some instances and some areas of society it exists.

Oh I'm sure. Don't mistake my meaning to imply that I think you didn't work very hard to get the things you needed/wanted. I am most certainly not implying that. Here, I'll give you a personal example of what I mean. My PD recently switch to a different business to our dry cleaning, and last week I attempted to drop off a few dress shirts (5), that I needed for court in the next two weeks. Well, since it was my first time, when I entered, I asked the clerk/owner, if this is the place the Carmel PD gets its dry cleaning done. He replied, yes, but added "but it's only for officers." I was like, "no problem, I am an officer." He responded that I didn't "look" like an officer, and then he asked if I was new. I was like "no, been there a good while." So then he tells me there's a limit on the amount of clothes I could submit. I found that odd, but I was like "ok, I only have 5 pieces." He then asks to look at them, so I pull them out of the bag. He asks how come I'm didn't have any uniforms. I told him I wash my own uniforms, but have my dress shirts dry cleaned. He also tells me that he'll have to drop my stuff off at the PD, and that I couldn't pick them up there (as I had told him I would be doing). Then he asks my name, which I give him. He finds my name, and then he asks for my ID. At that point, I'm over the 20 questions game. I put my stuff back in my bag, and tell him that I'll just go someplace else.... which I do.
At first, I thought I was just being the "sensitive black man." So I called some of the guys I worked with, and asked if they had been to the new cleaners. Of the ones that had (and had dealt with the same guy), they didn't have nearly the same experience as I did. They weren't questioned about their length of employment, asked to show ID, told of the clothing limit, or had the contents of their bags inspected. They just gave their names, dropped off their stuff, and left. I then asked a "higher up" what the clothing limit was at this particular cleaners. He looked at me kinda odd, and said "there isn't one."
So how am I to look at that particular instance? I'm not calling the clerk a racist, but he was certainly biased. I think he honestly believed that I was somebody trying to get over on him... as if impersonating an individual to get 5 pieces of clothing washed is a scam that occurs regularly. This is what white privilege is, and why I say the only people that recognize it, are those that don't benefit from it.

 

[ModernGunner]

Wouldn't history and lessons learned qualify as empirical facts?

Respectfully, no sir.

Empirical facts are empirical facts. For example: 2 apples + 2 apples = 4 apples.

What's being stated (White privilege) is based solely on opinion.

To quote myself: "What you see depends on where you stand, in time and distance".

What's being promoted as "White Privilege" is, in fact, an attempt to 'justify' perpetuating a despicable Socialist 'White Guilt' agenda.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Respectfully, no sir.

Empirical facts are empirical facts. For example: 2 apples + 2 apples = 4 apples.

What's being stated (White privilege) is based solely on opinion.

To quote myself: "What you see depends on where you stand, in time and distance".

What's being promoted as "White Privilege" is, in fact, an attempt to 'justify' perpetuating a despicable Socialist 'White Guilt' agenda.

Uh, that's an opinion too, right?

 

[ModernGunner]

... I'll give you a personal example of what I mean... I asked the clerk/owner, if this is the place the Carmel PD gets its dry cleaning done. He replied, yes, but added "but it's only for officers." I was like, "no problem, I am an officer." He responded that I didn't "look" like an officer, and then he asked if I was new... This is what white privilege is, and why I say the only people that recognize it, are those that don't benefit from it.

Well, sorry to hear about the poor service. Sounds like the clerk/owner is a bit of a jerk.

That said, I have LEO's friends that work undercover. They, most assuredly, don't "look like an officer", either.

No, that wasn't opinion. Because it's something they ARE doing.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Empirical facts are facts, all else is opinion.

Wouldn't history and lessons learned qualify as empirical facts?

A fact is something that can be proven.
An empirical fact is something that can be proven via experience or observation.

Historical facts are rarely empirical. It is not my opinion that George Washington was our first president. It is a fact. It is not, however, an empirical fact. There is no experiment I can do to determine the truth of the statement. I cannot observe him being president. However I can determine it is true by reading primary sources from the time, observing that the fact fits logically with the rest of known history, etc. At best, once the people who experienced it are dead, empirically based facts are the best we can expect from history, using someone else's observations to form our facts second hand.

Like "literally", "empirical" is often misused.

Carry on.

 

[Que]

A fact is something that can be proven.
An empirical fact is something that can be proven via experience or observation.

Historical facts are rarely empirical. It is not my opinion that George Washington was our first president. It is a fact. It is not, however, an empirical fact. There is no experiment I can do to determine the truth of the statement. I cannot observe him being president. However I can determine it is true by reading primary sources from the time, observing that the fact fits logically with the rest of known history, etc. At best, once the people who experienced it are dead, empirically based facts are the best we can expect from history, using someone else's observations to form our facts second hand.

Like "literally", "empirical" is often misused.

Carry on.

You have made my point, but do not agree with me. But, to get to the bottom line of this issue, White Privilege isn't about pointing fingers in judgement. It's about helping people to realize that no matter how much they wish to say things have changed, that isn't the case for people who are experiencing and observing what is really going on. It's a request for those willing to say "enough is enough" to help forward equality. It isn't asking for a hand out or even a hand up, but to stand together in the face of inequality.

 

[Trigger Time]

Whatever mommy told ya growing up.