"It's Boeing, and the Union's Going"

[tbhausen]

This story warms my heart

Union cancels Boeing vote, claiming gun-toting workers told it to take off | Fox News

 

[Bfish]

Hadn't heard anything about this... If this is true then guess they got their point across pretty well

 

[oldpink]

It sounds as if the union hoodlums are trying to manufacture sympathy for themselves by spreading lies, but it wouldn't surprise me if they needed an armed response to force them off the porch, given unions' all too often sorry record of using coercion to get established.

 

[ModernGunner]

In the last part of the 20th century and first part of the 21st, unions have done more to harm the life and lifestyle of the average working man than all the combined union achievements in the last turn of the century mark.

That isn't to say there aren't unions out there that actually benefit the working man (gender plurality implied), but they're rare.

For the most part, unions today are nothing more than democRAT voter recruiting pools, and to the considerable detriment of the workers they purport to 'protect'.

Not surprising their 'thug' recruiting tactics would get them run off from people's homes, even at gunpoint, if that's to be believed. Their union dues would likely offset any wage 'increase' they obtained for the worker, and hopefully that's all it would cost the worker.

 

[jblomenberg16]

Was just in Charleston today, and I asked about it. Most of the locals thought the vote was pushed out due to some of the controversy. Glad to hear it didn't fly. (Pardon the pun)

 

[Cameramonkey]

It sounds as if the union hoodlums are trying to manufacture sympathy for themselves by spreading lies, but it wouldn't surprise me if they needed an armed response to force them off the porch, given unions' all too often sorry record of using coercion to get established.

Its about time those thugs got a taste of their own medicine. Many a union was formed with threats and coercion. The recent attempt at killing the secret ballot made my stomach turn.

In the last part of the 20th century and first part of the 21st, unions have done more to harm the life and lifestyle of the average working man than all the combined union achievements in the last turn of the century mark.

That isn't to say there aren't unions out there that actually benefit the working man (gender plurality implied), but they're rare.

For the most part, unions today are nothing more than democRAT voter recruiting pools, and to the considerable detriment of the workers they purport to 'protect'.

Not surprising their 'thug' recruiting tactics would get them run off from people's homes, even at gunpoint, if that's to be believed. Their union dues would likely offset any wage 'increase' they obtained for the worker, and hopefully that's all it would cost the worker.

CSB: I had a former coworker who's son got a job at Kroger as a night stocker while he was in school many moons ago. So because of his position he was required to join the union. This kid was working less than 20 hours a week, and the union dues were not prorated... they were the same flat fee for every employee regardless of hours worked or hourly rate. thanks to his low hours and low pay as an entry level stocker, the union literally cost him almost 50% of his pay, with his final paycheck being somewhere around 70% less than gross. It was sickening to hear his dad describe it. I think the kid wised up and found a new job as soon as he could.

 

[sidewinder27]

The Onion tactics were used against them.

 

[avboiler11]

I'm a proud union member, but also understand that not all unions (and industries unions are in) are created equal.

That said:

Boeing opened a manufacturing plant in Charleston, in part, due to labor costs/issues in Renton WA as part of an overall cost-cutting effort that included a BUNCH of outsourcing of stuff that Boeing previously made in-house. They bet the farm on the 787, and it frankly not putting all their production eggs in a single basket helped spread around risk to that huge bet.

However, the outsourcing did not work out very well for them AT ALL, especially when one considers the spate of component and reliability issues the airframe had during the initial rollout and (late) entry-into-service that the 787 had.

If the workers in CHS want to collectively bargain, then I support them...if they don't, then I support that too just like the UAW trying and failing at the VW plant in Chattanooga. It is pretty telling that the IAM didn't think they could get 50% + 1 in favor.

Just another manufacturing facility opened in the largely anti-union South US, operating at wages below other plants with representation but above many other available jobs in the region. Free market at work and all that...

 

[femurphy77]

Having had the "privilege" of being in several different unions I will say that the IAM cared the LEAST about the employees and most about keeping the union stooges in power. The union allowed United Airlines to leave Indianapolis, plain and simple. Between 3500 and 5000 jobs gone just like that but hey the high seniority guys were all protected and that is what was important. And when it all washed out they could still be out there today!

 

[avboiler11]

The union allowed United Airlines to leave Indianapolis, plain and simple.

I know precious little about that...but didn't United's management failing to deliver even half of promised jobs, 9/11 and the Chapter 13 process have a little more to do with that than the IAM?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[atvdave]

In the last part of the 20th century and first part of the 21st, unions have done more to harm the life and lifestyle of the average working man than all the combined union achievements in the last turn of the century mark.

That isn't to say there aren't unions out there that actually benefit the working man (gender plurality implied), but they're rare.

For the most part, unions today are nothing more than democRAT voter recruiting pools, and to the considerable detriment of the workers they purport to 'protect'.

Not surprising their 'thug' recruiting tactics would get them run off from people's homes, even at gunpoint, if that's to be believed. Their union dues would likely offset any wage 'increase' they obtained for the worker, and hopefully that's all it would cost the worker.

Not with all unions... In my Union well over 75% of us all vote other than for a democrat, and on due's -- I do the same thing I did in my last job when I was non-union, but as a union member now I make 38% more in wages, 200% more in per-diem rates, I get 100% 401K match to 7%, (old job was 35% to 6%), I have two different company sponsored pension's funds, and my union due's are less than 1% on my pay.

I'm a proud union member, but also understand that not all unions (and industries unions are in) are created equal.

That said:

Boeing opened a manufacturing plant in Charleston, in part, due to labor costs/issues in Renton WA as part of an overall cost-cutting effort that included a BUNCH of outsourcing of stuff that Boeing previously made in-house. They bet the farm on the 787, and it frankly not putting all their production eggs in a single basket helped spread around risk to that huge bet.

However, the outsourcing did not work out very well for them AT ALL, especially when one considers the spate of component and reliability issues the airframe had during the initial rollout and (late) entry-into-service that the 787 had.

If the workers in CHS want to collectively bargain, then I support them...if they don't, then I support that too just like the UAW trying and failing at the VW plant in Chattanooga. It is pretty telling that the IAM didn't think they could get 50% + 1 in favor.

Just another manufacturing facility opened in the largely anti-union South US, operating at wages below other plants with representation but above many other available jobs in the region. Free market at work and all that...

Well said, I also support anyone who wants to organize a union, and I also support those who don't.

 

[churchmouse]

Retired from the local 440.
Not a fan of their politics but I put in my time and am doing OK due to the retirement benefits.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I know precious little about that...but didn't United's management failing to deliver even half of promised jobs, 9/11 and the Chapter 13 process have a little more to do with that than the IAM?

I see you are new to INGO. Allow me to fill you in:

No matter what management, the economy, or the owners do...it is always they union's fault when a union business fails. Non-union businesses fail because...well, they probably never fail.

Blue collar jobs are always paid more than they are worth. You are just flipping burgers, putting bolts on things, or sticking parts together. The imaginary "free market of labor" tells you what you're worth.

Unions are evil and are the downfall of the economy. Not billionaires sucking money out of the economy with "creative" banking, high frequency trading shenanigans, etc.

You can't mess with the job creators. The job doers are trash, though, and even if the government has to subsidize the job creator, they are under no obligation to pay enough to live.

Just be glad you've got a job and take whatever your employer gives you.

If you're lucky, you'll have a lawyer stop in and talk about how the market should run these things. The irony of being in a job which requires court approval to do, with huge barriers to entry, and with a governing body will be lost on the person who believes the "free market" should set wages. That's different though. Your food service job isn't worth $8/hr, but I serve pricier food so mine is worth $15/hr. I'm in "skilled" retail, whatever that means, etc. Everybody on INGO makes what they are worth or less. Everybody in a union is overpaid, and anyone protesting for higher wages isn't worth that wage.

Join the race to the bottom!

 

[Indynic]

BBI summed it up pretty nicely.... Only thing missing is bacon and a cowbell.

 

[MisterChester]

Somebody rep BBI. INGO wants me to spread the wealth around before I can give him more.

 

[findingZzero]

I see you are new to INGO. Allow me to fill you in:

No matter what management, the economy, or the owners do...it is always they union's fault when a union business fails. Non-union businesses fail because...well, they probably never fail.Blue collar jobs are always paid more than they are worth. You are just flipping burgers, putting bolts on things, or sticking parts together. The imaginary "free market of labor" tells you what you're worth.

Unions are evil and are the downfall of the economy. Not billionaires sucking money out of the economy with "creative" banking, high frequency trading shenanigans, etc.

You can't mess with the job creators. The job doers are trash, though, and even if the government has to subsidize the job creator, they are under no obligation to pay enough to live.

Just be glad you've got a job and take whatever your employer gives you.

If you're lucky, you'll have a lawyer stop in and talk about how the market should run these things. The irony of being in a job which requires court approval to do, with huge barriers to entry, and with a governing body will be lost on the person who believes the "free market" should set wages. That's different though. Your food service job isn't worth $8/hr, but I serve pricier food so mine is worth $15/hr. I'm in "skilled" retail, whatever that means, etc. Everybody on INGO makes what they are worth or less. Everybody in a union is overpaid, and anyone protesting for higher wages isn't worth that wage.

Join the race to the bottom!

A six pack! How about that! Just tell me when! And where!

I've always been amazed that working folks vote Republican. Well, not really. Forget wages. Look over here, abortion, 2nd amendment, gay marriage...Squirrel!!!! Btw, my dog Guy, the rescue, and mellow Hospice therapy dog is eating a large squirrel. Head first. Gruesome, cruel, but fair.....

 

[MisterChester]

A six pack! How about that! Just tell me when! And where!

I've always been amazed that working folks vote Republican. Well, not really. Forget wages. Look over here, abortion, 2nd amendment, gay marriage...Squirrel!!!! Btw, my dog Guy, the rescue, and mellow Hospice therapy dog is eating a large squirrel. Head first. Gruesome, cruel, but fair.....

Because they don't care about being screwed as long as their representative tells them that he supports the government intrusion into people's personal business.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Its about time those thugs got a taste of their own medicine. Many a union was formed with threats and coercion. The recent attempt at killing the secret ballot made my stomach turn. (snipped).

To be fair, when unions were first organizing in the early years of the 20th century, the companies used force against them, first. By the time my father-in-law was an adult, union thuggery was institutional, but low-key. However, it appears the union thuggery, backed by the collusion of the National Labor Relations Board, ramped up again in the 70s and going forward, as Liberals and communists got more influence in the Democrat party and in the federal bureaucracy. All that being said, I have little use for unions which need to resort to thuggery.

 

[Twangbanger]

...I've always been amazed that working folks vote Republican. Well, not really. Forget wages. Look over here, abortion, 2nd amendment, gay marriage...Squirrel!!!!.....

Wow...maybe I'm just not watching the board closely enough, but I'm pretty sure that's the first time on INGO that I've heard the 2nd Amendment referred to as a mere distraction compared to what's really important (ie, furthering socialism, lol). You must get really tired of hearing all the constant banter about gun laws here! ( We'll try and not trouble you so much with it in the future).

As for the Original Post, all this shows is that the Union didn't have the votes they needed. They canceled the vote to save face. It would appear they just haven't sufficiently educated the population of South Carolina on the wonders of the entitlement mentality yet ("Send more dues money, Washington employees...it looks like we have more work to do down here").

To be fair, I think unions can be very valuable to workers - in the absence of foreign Free Trade Agreements. But once the politicians sell workers down the river with those agreements, all the Unions are doing, from that point on, is hastening the exit of jobs. (To be specific, I'm referring to "factory unions," not other types...and no, I don't consider South Carolina a foreign country. Those people are Americans, same as you and me).