The video of Sam Dubose's death is so bad, Cincinnati is prepping for riots.

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  • Lebowski

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    The video of police killing of Sam Dubose is apparently so bad, Cincinnati is preparing for riots

    Other source: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...ith-leaders-to-discuss-deadly-police-shooting

    Long story short: Officer pulls over drunk driver. Asks for ID. Driver hands him bottle of alcohol. Driver flees. Officer shoots. Driver hit in back of the head and died. At least that is the story.

    So, now they're planning on releasing the body cam footage of the officer in question and those who have seen it don't seem to be in support of the officers actions and state that it's "Not good" and the city is preparing for riots.

    This is close to home for some of us in Indiana's south east corner. I know we have some INGO members who travel to Cincy for work as well.

    So, hopefully they are able to contain any unruly 'protesters' from turning Cincy into another Baltimore or Ferguson. I'll have the TV on and popcorn ready regardless.
     
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    The local media are all saying the same thing. Prosecutor refuses to release the video until after the Grand Jury sees it. The local Mayor & Police Chief have seen it and said it was not good. They are prepping for problems when the tape is released...

    Righto. Going to have to plan my schedule. I drive to CIN every other week :P
     

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    Just remember that a grand jury true bill (an indictment) means very little in a case like this. That there will be an indictment is all but a given. We've seen that several times recently and the ultimate outcome was an acquittal each time. The fringe media, like the sources being linked in this thread, follow very lax methods and are anything but a sound source of information. They exist to sensationalize for profit and for their own agenda (yes, as does the mainstream media as well.) It's nearly impossible to get any real info from these news "stories" but it appears that those who have seen the video and audio available have not found that the officer violated any laws or procedures (the Chief's comments were purposely taken out of context for sensationalist affect.) All sensationalism aside, it's certainly possible that the officer did exactly what he should have done. None of us have enough info to know either way.
     

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    I was working in downtown Cincy when the Timothy Taylor riots happened...we holed up in the basement of a data center and hoped the mob would not come all the way down 4th street....they ended up stopping about 2 blocks from the Level 3 Data Center...smashing windows, burning cars, and creating one hell of a mess.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    Why are University police patrolling off-campus? Is this typical?

    No idea about Ohio, but locally they do typically patrol around the campus. They aren't like some loss prevention folks who have to stop at the sidewalk, they can wander out a few blocks.

    In addition to the main campus and surrounding areas, they'll check off campus (almost said off base...old habits) student housing, satellite campus locations, etc.
     

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    BehindBlueI's said:
    No idea about Ohio, but locally they do typically patrol around the campus. They aren't like some loss prevention folks who have to stop at the sidewalk, they can wander out a few blocks.

    Ok, thanks for the info.

    Do they have the same arrest powers as regular police officers? Are they bounded by the same regulations? Do they receive the same training?
     

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    Not sure of Ohio law, but I do know that several university police forces are 100% real police. Butler University, for example. Absolutely real police, with state-wide arrest authority. They routinely patrol "off campus". Several folks have gotten snarky with them, thinking they are "Bart, the Mall Cop", only to get a free overnight stay with IMPD as the result.
     

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    The video of police killing of Sam Dubose is apparently so bad, Cincinnati is preparing for riots

    Other source: Chief Blackwell on UC officer's body cam: I've seen the video, 'it is not good' - Story

    Long story short: Officer pulls over drunk driver. Asks for ID. Driver hands him bottle of alcohol. Driver flees. Officer shoots. Driver hit in back of the head and died. At least that is the story.

    So, now they're planning on releasing the body cam footage of the officer in question and those who have seen it don't seem to be in support of the officers actions and state that it's "Not good" and the city is preparing for riots.

    This is close to home for some of us in Indiana's south east corner. I know we have some INGO members who travel to Cincy for work as well.

    So, hopefully they are able to contain any unruly 'protesters' from turning Cincy into another Baltimore or Ferguson. I'll have the TV on and popcorn ready regardless.

    A few thoughts:

    1. Are police officers really so stupid as to make up something that they KNOW will be contradicted by the video that they KNOW is being recorded? Given the IQ (ceiling) requirements, unfortunately, it's a possibility.

    2. If the Grand Jury indicts, why would there be riots? (Rhetorical question.)

    3. We're going to Cincinnati this weekend to visit family. Can the rioting wait until next week? Or, at the very least, stay out of Western Hills and Delhi?
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    Ok, thanks for the info.

    Do they have the same arrest powers as regular police officers? Are they bounded by the same regulations? Do they receive the same training?

    Varies. Varies. Varies.

    University of Indianapolis the answers would be yes, yes, sort of. Remember that different cops get different training. There are blocks that everyone gets, but different academies and different "electives", so to speak. If you had a Town Marshal, and IMPD officer, an Excise cop, an ISP trooper, and a Conservation officer, everyone of them has different training but built around the same basic training.

    Some campuses have a mixture of sworn officers and security guards. Where jurisdiction starts and stops doubtlessly varies by state and employer's rules. IPS cops used to have very strict rules within their department about engaging in police activity off campus that can be more restrictive than what the law requires, to the point I had one call in a hit and run and follow the car without turning on her lights and sirens...and event that was pushing it.
     
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