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  • hoosierdoc

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    I was reading a bit on this while watching designated survivor. It seems to exclude the coast guard.

    Could Trump send in the coast guard to pacify Chicago?
     

    Spear Dane

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    Why would you send the USCG? They are in no way whatsoever trained for that kind of thing. Far better would be a regiment of experienced ANG soldiers, a unit that spent time in Mosul (Or was that all USMC?) would be perfect.
     

    hoosierdoc

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    This is not a "why" question, it is a "could" question

    in this particular episode the president federalized the guard but the guard general refused the order
     

    actaeon277

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    Well, USCG used to be part of the Department of the Treasury, and was NOT military, although organized similar.
    They were only housed under the administration of the Department of Defense in time of war. Many of the anti-sub patrols, and landing craft coxswains were USCG.

    But, that was all before the Department of Homeland Security.
    Now, after the formation of the DHS, I'm not sure.
     

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    Ah, interesting question. The Coasties are military, but not under the DoD except in time of full-mobilization (last was WWII). The USCG is a LE entity, which is why the DoD and the USCG don't communicate very well.

    Getting back to your question, the problem with that scenario is, that's not their mission. The Coasties run down drug smugglers and save lives at sea. The National Guard under Title 32 (not Title 10) USC under the State's chain of command would be appropriate for this kind of peacekeeping operation.
     

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    Things are the way they are in chicago because the machine makes money from them being that way. Cut off all the federal money and the machine will remake the system so it's profitable again. No need to send federal troops in to fix it.

    Always follow the money
     

    hoosierdoc

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    The crime in Chicago is not due to federal money directly. You could argue the welfare state caused it, but that goes to people, not the system

    but Chicago is a random city for my example
     

    hoosierdoc

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    The gist of it is I saw the CG is exempted from the Act, and should IMO be able to be deployed domestically

    I just think it would be hilarious to send in the coasties to some land locked area to do something
     

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    Well, USCG used to be part of the Department of the Treasury, and was NOT military, although organized similar.
    They were only housed under the administration of the Department of Defense in time of war. Many of the anti-sub patrols, and landing craft coxswains were USCG.

    But, that was all before the Department of Homeland Security.
    Now, after the formation of the DHS, I'm not sure.


    USCG, used to be Dept. of TRANSPORTATION.....

    Now, I don't know .....
     

    actaeon277

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    USCG, used to be Dept. of TRANSPORTATION.....

    Now, I don't know .....

    No.
    It didn't.

    I know wiki isn't a great source, I'm sure you can find their history elsewhere.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard

    Created by Congress on 4 August 1790 at the request of Alexander Hamilton as the Revenue Marine, it is the oldest continuous seagoing service of the United States.[SUP][Note 2][/SUP] As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton headed the Revenue Marine, whose original purpose was collecting customs duties in the nation's seaports. By the 1860s, the service was known as the U.S. Revenue Cutter Service and the term Revenue Marine gradually fell into disuse.[SUP][15][/SUP]
    The modern Coast Guard was formed by a merger of the Revenue Cutter Service and the U.S. Life-Saving Service on 28 January 1915, under the U.S. Department of the Treasury.




    Here we go. Something not wiki.
    History of the United States Coast Guard | Military Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia
    The Coast Guard itself was moved to the Department of Transportation in 1967,

    It was first Dept. of Revenue, then Treasury.
    We were both right.
    I was just right 1st.
     

    KellyinAvon

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    Probably, which made my Chicago example bad
    So the Coasties could cruise up in a Cutter and lob a few rounds at the Gangster Disciples and Black P Stones? I'll need a minute to think about this...
     

    hoosierdoc

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    I think you may be significantly more cool and hip than I am since I have no idea what those things are

    edit: I searched, and yes, that would be neat to see
     

    Vigilant

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    Well, USCG used to be part of the Department of the Treasury, and was NOT military, although organized similar.
    They were only housed under the administration of the Department of Defense in time of war. Many of the anti-sub patrols, and landing craft coxswains were USCG.

    But, that was all before the Department of Homeland Security.
    Now, after the formation of the DHS, I'm not sure.
    I thought they were part of the DoT? As in Transportation?

    ETA: Prior to being swallowed by DHS
     
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    T.Lex

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    Weren't parts of the CG activated for coastal duty in Vietnam? Also, their drug interdiction stuff is pretty "hands-on" but certainly not on a Mosul level.

    Here's another question - in the age of terrorism, does Posse Comitatus make sense?
     
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