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    From MSNBC:
    "Speaking not long after the Senate passed the $871 billion bill by a 60-39 vote, Obama welcomed the vote as bringing America "toward the end of a nearly century-long struggle." He said presidents since Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 have been trying unsuccessfully to overhaul medical care."

    "This morning isn't the end of the process, it's merely the beginning. We'll continue to build on this success to improve our health system even more," Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said before the vote. "But that process cannot begin unless we start today ... there may not be a next time."

    "The Nevadan said that "every step of this long process has been an enormous undertaking."

    "Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Finance Committee, said he "very happy to see people getting health care they could not get."


    What have we been fighting in this countryfo the same amount of time?
    Here's a hint, substitute these words;
    socialism, coummunist, fascist

    It should be horrifically clear to you now.

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    Nullification

    We can either man up, or submit to tyranny.

    Nullification is the next political recourse available to citizens. I strongly urge everyone that reads this post to contact your state representative and demand nullification of any mandatory nationalized health care plan.

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    Does anyone know how much this is going to effect small businesses? I employ 15 guys. This year was tough enough. We had to really cut back in order to keep things going. We can't afford another tax increase.

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    Wow....."third world country"....."America's darkest day in history"..........I would say that is a bit of an exaggeration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Gun Coat View Post
    Does anyone know how much this is going to effect small businesses? I employ 15 guys. This year was tough enough. We had to really cut back in order to keep things going. We can't afford another tax increase.
    Likely, it will force you and your employees into the "Public Option", or some variant, by making what ever insurance product you have now too expensive or "unqualified".

    I'm self employed, and happy with my coverage for my family (other than it's fairly expensive). This legislation is infuriating, because i don't think keeping our current plan is an option. We have a high deductible plan and HSA which gives us lots of latitude in choice of treatment and providers.

    All that said, there is no telling what actually passed. I can't find it on LOC website yet. So much for giving the public 3 days to review before a senate vote. What a bunch of liars.

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    This just proves we have no representation any more. The majority of Americans were against this Bill, it passed anyway, but the sheeple of this country are just going to stand around with their collective thumbs up their a$$e$ and let this happen...



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    Why are all of the news outlets calling this a "victory" for Obama. What about the american people that this bill is going to help. Shouldn't it be a victory for them?

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    Everything is Obama makes me puke. When all this flops atleast the finger will be pointed directly at Obama

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    We can either man up, or submit to tyranny.
    Right beside you brother. Until this week I really hadn't given much consideration to a successful stop sign at the state level, but it is looking like this may be the way to go.

    Wow....."third world country"....."America's darkest day in history"..........I would say that is a bit of an exaggeration.
    If you mean the REALLY dark day will be when these nimrods hand a complete bill to President for signing, and he signs it, then I would agree that today isn't THE darkest day. If you "don't think it will be that bad", you are really kidding yourself or in need of more details about what affect this legislation could have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovatron View Post
    "third world country"....I would say that is a bit of an exaggeration.
    You obviously have never been to any inner city Section 8 cesspools in any major city. Try walking through the Phoenix apartments in Indy and then tell me that isn't a third world $#!thole.

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