Federal Legislation....AMMO Act of 2013

[ddb40]

A House of Representative Oversight Committee meeting in the last two weeks has PROVEN by employee testimony that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has purchased nearly 230 million rounds in the last two years which is approximately 1600 rounds per DHS Officer per year. That suggested rate of usage by the average DHS Officer is well over a 1000 rounds above the normal or historical usage by other Military or front line Federal Law Enforcement Officers. In addition there is no accountability provided by DHS to verify that the ammo was actually used in operational, training, or practice activities. In fact a large percentage of that ammo procurement is suspected to be setting in static inventory, but DHS offers no verification or accountability towards that supposition. WE THE PEOPLE have been forced to spend the money (even during the looming sequester), but apparently Obama’s administration sees no NEED to account for their actions. In addition they are authorized and plan to purchase similar amounts in the next two years.

Senator Inhofe has submitted legislation we ALL NEED TO SUPPORT. It would REQUIRE accountability and verification of ammo purchases & usage. It is the "Ammunition Management for More Obtainability (AMMO) Act of 2013; [FONT=&quot]http://www.inhofe.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/inhofe-lucas-introduce-bill-limiting-federal-agencies-from-stockpiling-ammunition[/FONT]


A short written synopsis of the House Hearing is offered here; GOP aims to slow federal bullet buys - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

A detailed (lengthy) video presentation is available here. You can view the deceptive presentations by DHS and the insulting comments by the Liberals on the committee;The AMMO Act of 2013 Takes Aim At Department of Homeland Security


Less video and more written detail is available here including the DHS revelation that ammo is being SENT HOME with the officers; Are “DHS Agents” Stockpiling Ammunition for Personal Use? | The D.C. Clothesline

 

[Classic]

They may get this through the House but not likely to pass the Senate. No way will the Kenyan sign it. DHS is doing his bidding in all of this I am convinced.

I will still write letters of support though.

 

[ddb40]

We need to advertise and promote the AMMO Act of 2013 and it's Basic concept....expose the LIAR in Chief and his deceitful supporters....FORCE them to reveal their actions not just on gun issues but on all their Nation destroying activities.

Choosing defeat before your start is just WRONG.

The recent vote DOWN of all the anti-gun legislation was caused by the OVERWHELMING Citizen response opposing the Main Stream Media, the Administration, the National Democrats, the Liberals, and the Socialists who ALL kept telling us there was NO Opposition, NO chance of failure, Overwhelming popular support, a mandate to act......BULL. The Congressmen and the Senators heard the truth, know Exactly what happened, and chose to VOTE according to reality not Obama Spin.

 

[JoshuaW]

They may get this through the House but not likely to pass the Senate. No way will the Kenyan sign it. DHS is doing his bidding in all of this I am convinced.

I will still write letters of support though.

Its government waste, if it passed the Senate, he would sign it. He would look foolish if he didnt.

It wont pass the Senate. I would be surprised of it even got a vote.

 

[CitiusFortius]

I guess this is good, but all the stories around here suggest the shortage is due to people hoarding the stuff.

Isn't this kind of knee-jerk reaction bill the same type of legislaion we hate when it goes against us?

 

[Bennettjh]

I will promote and support this.

 

[Racechase1]

The congress must be wearing tinfoil hats too.At least that's what some people think around here. Funny thing is that this is what the GAO has to say. GAO Now Investigating DHS Ammo Purchases - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

Seems like it isn't tinfoil time after all.

 

[rhino]

I have no comment on the legislation, but 1600 rounds per person per year is next to nothing, regardless of whether or not they've shot that much each year in the past.

 

[in625shooter]

I have no comment on the legislation, but 1600 rounds per person per year is next to nothing, regardless of whether or not they've shot that much each year in the past.

^THIS^ DHS agree with them or no is a Department with several front line federal LE Agencies, several of the SWAT type training involves 50,000-100,000 rounds per member then factor in all the ammunition needed to keep every firearm loaded for duty it quickly adds up!

 

[U.S. Patriot]

I was in the Coast Guard. A member of a non tactical unit was only required to qualify semi annually. If you qualified on the first go, you only fired 50 rounds of pistol ammo. My unit actually qualified quarterly. Why? We had people that could not pass the course of fire if we only went to the range twice a year. I know now, if I only fired 50 rounds every six months, I would not be very confident in my ability to defend myself. We had fifteen people at my unit. So, we averaged anywhere between 200-400 rounds of ammo per member per year. So, that's 3,000-6,000 rounds for the entire unit per year to qualify. That's is not near enough to be proficient.

 

[muzzlemike]

I hope they can pass this.

 

[dj-vektor]

I'd like to know the reasoning behind the change, if they ever give one. Were they all failing their quals causing more frequent proficiency firings? Did their course of fire change upping the round count? If one of these is the case than I can see it being legit but it would be nice to hear someone justify these large orders.

 

[drillsgt]

I have no comment on the legislation, but 1600 rounds per person per year is next to nothing, regardless of whether or not they've shot that much each year in the past.

What? That's over a case and a half of ammo (HP's at that), that's plenty. If they find that they still do not feel proficient they can start hitting up Walmart and practicing on their own time.

 

[zippy23]

Our ONLY hope is that the republicans dont lose the house in 2014. If this happens, it will be a catastrophe. writing and calling does nothing, as the left has been exposed as they have mass fake emails and paid callers as full time jobs spamming both republicans and democrats to make it look as though the people are leaning left. Sorry, but if the house is lost, it doesnt really matter. maybe we should vote libertarian to make a statement and not vote against the democrats??!?!! small jab but big point.

 

[Thumper]

Just what does DHS do anyway.They are a waste of taxpayer money.

 

[LANShark42]

We ***** and moan when a LEO is anything less than a marksman in a publicized firefight. Then we ***** about the number of rounds it takes to make and keep them proficient at shooting. 1600 rounds is 125 rounds per month. I shoot that much or more at the range at least once a month. If my life depended on me being proficient you can bet your ass Id shoot that much or more.

 

[KellyinAvon]

We ***** and moan when a LEO is anything less than a marksman in a publicized firefight. Then we ***** about the number of rounds it takes to make and keep them proficient at shooting. 1600 rounds is 125 rounds per month. I shoot that much or more at the range at least once a month. If my life depended on me being proficient you can bet your ass Id shoot that much or more.

Who pays for your range ammo?

 

[LANShark42]

Who pays for your range ammo?

I do. But I don't carry as a condition of my employment. I carry for the personal protection of myself and my loved ones.

FWIW, my employer pays for my laptop, cell phone and service, and my Internet connectivity. These are the tools of MY trade.

 

[drillsgt]

We ***** and moan when a LEO is anything less than a marksman in a publicized firefight. Then we ***** about the number of rounds it takes to make and keep them proficient at shooting. 1600 rounds is 125 rounds per month. I shoot that much or more at the range at least once a month. If my life depended on me being proficient you can bet your ass Id shoot that much or more.

If they need more than that to keep proficient than perhaps they need another line of work and shooting is just not for them. Even if you made more ammo available it doesn't mean they would use it. A lot of cops just aren't gun people and only shoot when they have to anyway. We got the same thing in the army, I can't believe that I have colleagues that are infantryman that don't even own guns or have any interest at all in them. We qualify annually and the taxpayer contribution to my ammo use is about 60 rounds. But, if I go to Benning and have to demonstrate a live fire exercise or anything like that i'm still expected to be proficient so you practice on your own.

 

[Expatriated]

1. 1,600 rounds may be a lot if you work at Home Depot and take your kid shooting every once in awhile. But it certainly isn't enough to maintain a level of proficiency for someone who carries a gun for a living. Basically, it's 3 days at a decent firearms class. If I were hiring someone to protect my family when I wasn't around, I don't think it'd be cool to find some guy that shot 3 days and said, "Yeah, I'm trained, I shot just 8 months ago."

2. People seem to criticize DHS like it's some independent agency with a bunch of DHS Special Agents running around. DHS is a umbrella department under which actual agencies work. Some are arguably more important than others but I don't think it's fair to criticize DHS like it is one agency. Personally, I don't equate the morons with TSA to Coast Guard and Secret Service professionals I know. I mean technically, a Secret Service agent could say he's a DHS Special Agent, but you will NEVER hear one of them say that. Same with Customs, etc.

I don't agree with most of what goes on with DHS. You have your leaderless FEMA, your completely pointless FPS, your environmental energy and agricultural agencies that I don't understand what security they provide along with some former Defense agencies that may or may not be useful or effective, I don't have any experience with them.

I'm fine with the legislation but it seems as if it's misunderstood if people think that DHS is a singular entity with some big vault hiding all this ammo. FLETC alone is pumping out thousands of rounds a day on their ranges, every day of the year. How much you think the Secret Service CAT shoots a year? Way more than 1,600 rounds a person.

The other point people get wrapped around the axle with is the fact that they are hollow points. Most agencies don't even bother buying practice rounds; they are all hollow points. So, whenever agents need ammo, the choice is agent-proof. They don't have a decision to make. Otherwise, you'd have guys carrying FMJ in their duty mags. Besides, the prices of the hollow points under the government contracts are as cheap as the hollow points. It's always been that way, long before this shortage.

I got no problem if people want to bash DHS, create more legislation, etc. I just think being educated about the facts is important.