Students claim police chief who shot himself was careless

Fenway · 05-10-2008

Tue May 6, 8:06 PM ET RIVERDALE, Utah - The police chief who shot himself in the ankle was waving a loaded pistol and being careless, according to two students who were attending his class to qualify for a concealed-weapons permit. "We were told the gun is the chief's personal sidearm, but it looked to me like he didn't know anything about the gun," Lewis Walker said

Bart Ulm, another student seeking certification to carry a concealed weapon, said he was surprised Chief Dave Hansen was using a loaded gun to show how it worked.

"Right then, I was very leery, because there's no need to have live ammo in a gun in the class. But I figured he's the chief, so he must know what he's doing," Ulm told the Standard-Examiner of Ogden.
Hansen held the Glock 40 under a table to disassemble it when a bullet fired, Walker said.

The chief cried, "I'm hit," and fell over. Students who were screaming "Officer down!" were urged to call 911.
The gun went off in a conference room Saturday at Riverdale police headquarters.

Hansen was taken to McKay-Dee Hospital in Ogden for surgery and released Monday, Lt. James Ebert said.
Ebert said the findings of an internal investigation would be announced Wednesday. He declined to offer specifics but disputed the accounts of Ulm and Walker, describing the pair as "disgruntled."
Other students "did not share that feeling" about the chief, Ebert told The Associated Press.

Walker said he didn't have confidence in the investigation.
"I think Riverdale police are just trying to keep this quiet and act like the chief is a hero. But if you ask me, he's really stupid," Walker said. "His state certification to teach concealed-weapons classes should be taken away from him. This was totally gross negligence."

Ulm said there was a moment of levity during the emergency.
He said an officer at the scene joked that "instead of shooting himself, he should have used the Taser."

Students claim police chief who shot himself was careless - Yahoo! News

techres · 05-10-2008

Wow, I mean, holy cow!

Just got back from the Indy UT CCW class today. I can state, while there were loaded weapons there, they remained holstered at all times and the solid fake gun was never "waved around".

Yikes!

younggun21 · 05-10-2008

Dumbass. That's why you have a deputy like good ol Barney Fife teach the class instead!!

-K

Annie · 05-11-2008

Fenway, thanks for putting this up. Don't know how I missed this one, but I swiped it from you to blog about it. I also put a link to INgunowners on my page.
Rock on!

pierce195 · 05-12-2008

Nothing better than a live demo of how not to handle a firearm. I bet everyone in that class learned a great lesson.

Lars · 05-12-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by pierce195

Nothing better than a live demo of how not to handle a firearm. I bet everyone in that class learned a great lesson.

Similar to your department learning from the "Uber LeetSauce McGee" Israeli Tactical Guy with the shotgun?

05-10-2008	#1 (permalink)
Fenway Pays the bills Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: behind you Posts: 4,774	Students claim police chief who shot himself was careless Tue May 6, 8:06 PM ET RIVERDALE, Utah - The police chief who shot himself in the ankle was waving a loaded pistol and being careless, according to two students who were attending his class to qualify for a concealed-weapons permit. "We were told the gun is the chief's personal sidearm, but it looked to me like he didn't know anything about the gun," Lewis Walker said Bart Ulm, another student seeking certification to carry a concealed weapon, said he was surprised Chief Dave Hansen was using a loaded gun to show how it worked. "Right then, I was very leery, because there's no need to have live ammo in a gun in the class. But I figured he's the chief, so he must know what he's doing," Ulm told the Standard-Examiner of Ogden. Hansen held the Glock 40 under a table to disassemble it when a bullet fired, Walker said. The chief cried, "I'm hit," and fell over. Students who were screaming "Officer down!" were urged to call 911. The gun went off in a conference room Saturday at Riverdale police headquarters. Hansen was taken to McKay-Dee Hospital in Ogden for surgery and released Monday, Lt. James Ebert said. Ebert said the findings of an internal investigation would be announced Wednesday. He declined to offer specifics but disputed the accounts of Ulm and Walker, describing the pair as "disgruntled." Other students "did not share that feeling" about the chief, Ebert told The Associated Press. Walker said he didn't have confidence in the investigation. "I think Riverdale police are just trying to keep this quiet and act like the chief is a hero. But if you ask me, he's really stupid," Walker said. "His state certification to teach concealed-weapons classes should be taken away from him. This was totally gross negligence." Ulm said there was a moment of levity during the emergency. He said an officer at the scene joked that "instead of shooting himself, he should have used the Taser." Students claim police chief who shot himself was careless - Yahoo! News __________________ Please do not PM me with general forum questions. Post questions in Forum Support INGO LLC PO Box 853 Fishers, IN 46038 Forum Rules Classifieds Rules INGO FAQ Click here to become an INGO Click here if you are interested in advertising

05-11-2008	#4 (permalink)
Annie Master Join Date: May 2008 Location: N/E Corner Posts: 2,866	Fenway, thanks for putting this up. Don't know how I missed this one, but I swiped it from you to blog about it. I also put a link to INgunowners on my page. Rock on! __________________ ~No matter how responsible she seems, never give a monkey your gun.~ Now yer as smart as I am~Jay

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05-10-2008	#2 (permalink)
techres Building Bridges Between Ammo Forts Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bloomington Posts: 3,950	Wow, I mean, holy cow! Just got back from the Indy UT CCW class today. I can state, while there were loaded weapons there, they remained holstered at all times and the solid fake gun was never "waved around". Yikes!

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younggun21 Plinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 80	Dumbass. That's why you have a deputy like good ol Barney Fife teach the class instead!! -K

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pierce195 PD Training LLP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Castle, IN Posts: 266	Nothing better than a live demo of how not to handle a firearm. I bet everyone in that class learned a great lesson.