This scares the hell out of me (LEO attitudes toward CCW)

[melensdad]

I have to say first that I am a law abiding citizen, with the possible exception of the occasional speeding ticket in my youth. Other than that I'm 47, successful enough to be retired at my tender age, respected in my community, involved in charity fund raising, civic matters, etc. So I am, by most standards, a pretty decent guy. I think I am pretty run of the mill in my views of politics, and I respect the police, know several officers personally.

But I stumbled upon this thread and if this is the attitude of the typical police officer then we are in trouble. Now I remind you I am friends with several LEO, but they have not had the opportunity to see me in a traffic stop situation so maybe this is how they REALLY FEEL about my CCW?

Disarming CCW carriers. - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

Oh, and pay attention to Post #22, but don't skip down to that one!!! This thread is a couple hundred posts long. It should be REQUIRED READING for members of this forum.

[epsylum]

Post 24. He doesn't understand how the Constitution works. It lays out what the government can and can't do. Freedom falls on the side of the citizenry, not the government. Besides I am pretty sure "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" pretty much covers it. Psst Mr. PeteGould, the 2a is talking to the GOVERNMENT (that means LEOs among others).

Police are people and therefore there are all kinds of LEOs. Some are mindless government robots who think that only police should have guns and there are some that are completely on our side.

That being said, the thing that scares me in case of the need of the people to use the 2A government reset swtich (i.e revolt), is the fact that it has been proven that the majority (note: not all) of people will do a lot of bad things just because an authority figure told them to. The "I was just following orders" line heard at the Nuremberg trials was more true than many believe.

ETA: Just read some more. Holy cow there are some goobers on there. Post 53. He is actually trying to use the "they didn't have automatic weapons when they wrote the 2A" argument. Sorry, you lose when you pull that idiotic gem out.

[Dogman]

melensdad, understand that what you're reading is a very very small number of LEO out of something like 700,000 across the county, from reading several of the posts take one thing out of them, that the officers want to go home at night and their safety is the first thing on their mind. It's like the people that ask do I look like a criminal? well yeah you do since criminal look like everybody else.
Just like any other profession there are cops that are legends in their own mind and a**holes. As far as #22 he's no different than any other anti.
The large majority of LEO don't have a problem with ccw.

[epsylum]

Originally Posted by Dogman

The large majority of LEO don't have a problem with ccw.

All the times I have dealt with LEOs while armed, I have never had a problem.

[hunter480]

Originally Posted by Dogman

melensdad, understand that what you're reading is a very very small number of LEO out of something like 700,000 across the county, from reading several of the posts take one thing out of them, that the officers want to go home at night and their safety is the first thing on their mind. It's like the people that ask do I look like a criminal? well yeah you do since criminal look like everybody else.
Just like any other profession there are cops that are legends in their own mind and a**holes. As far as #22 he's no different than any other anti.
The large majority of LEO don't have a problem with ccw.

We HOPE these LEO`s are a minority, right?

As for wanting to go home at night, we all hope for that very same thing. If you`re infering that their desire to get home safely somehow trumps our Second Amendment rights......BRRRRRRRRRRR.

You are the weakest link............. goodbye.

[Yamaha]

Originally Posted by Dogman

melensdad, understand that what you're reading is a very very small number of LEO out of something like 700,000 across the county, from reading several of the posts take one thing out of them, that the officers want to go home at night and their safety is the first thing on their mind. It's like the people that ask do I look like a criminal? well yeah you do since criminal look like everybody else.
Just like any other profession there are cops that are legends in their own mind and a**holes. As far as #22 he's no different than any other anti.
The large majority of LEO don't have a problem with ccw.

they all seem to be wearing their arses on their heads


not all states is carrying a privilege, and there is not a problem with an officer disarming you for the process of the stop, but that would be their call. The further abuses of power that they were complaining about....I'm sure the idiots made it worse for themselves during the stop.

Some people just like to blame everyone else for things

[4sarge]

Originally Posted by melensdad

I have to say first that I am a law abiding citizen, with the possible exception of the occasional speeding ticket in my youth. Other than that I'm 47, successful enough to be retired at my tender age, respected in my community, involved in charity fund raising, civic matters, etc. So I am, by most standards, a pretty decent guy. I think I am pretty run of the mill in my views of politics, and I respect the police, know several officers personally.

But I stumbled upon this thread and if this is the attitude of the typical police officer then we are in trouble. Now I remind you I am friends with several LEO, but they have not had the opportunity to see me in a traffic stop situation so maybe this is how they REALLY FEEL about my CCW?

Disarming CCW carriers. - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

Oh, and pay attention to Post #22, but don't skip down to that one!!! This thread is a couple hundred posts long. It should be REQUIRED READING for members of this forum.

I'm Guilty of Not reading all of the posts but I'm afraid that this situation will only worsen over time. You have young cops who were not brought up in a gun culture (other than theirs), lack of adequate or gutless supervision, Liberal City or State political leanings and lack of much needed American history and legal traditions. IMHO the DC Cop particularly needs an attitude adjustment. It's getting scarier in the US all of the time

[epsylum]

Originally Posted by 4sarge

I'm Guilty of Not reading all of the posts but I'm afraid that this situation will only worsen over time. You have young cops who were not brought up in a gun culture (other than theirs), lack of adequate or gutless supervision, Liberal City or State political leanings and lack of much needed American history and legal traditions. IMHO the DC Cop particularly needs an attitude adjustment. It's getting scarier in the US all of the time

I detest how they started berating the one LEO standing up for citizen's rights by saying that he "lives in a sparsely populated area" or some crap. Yeah because your rights depend on population density. :rolleyesedit:

[Bill of Rights]

Originally Posted by 4sarge

the DC Cop particularly needs an attitude adjustment.

I didn't read all the posts either, but I read this @$$hole's posts how yeah, he'll disarm anyone he da*n well pleases (paraphrased) because his safety is important.

Two thoughts came to mind: 1) Why is his safety and comfort more important than mine, if what I've committed is an infraction, not even a misdemeanor, let alone felony?

2) Just exactly how many licensed, law-abiding CCW holders has a DC cop ever met, especially on the job?

Blessings,
B

[epsylum]

Originally Posted by Bill of Rights

I didn't read all the posts either, but I read this @$'s posts how yeah, he'll disarm anyone he da*n well pleases (paraphrased) because his safety is important.

Two thoughts came to mind: 1) Why is his safety and comfort more important than mine, if what I've committed is an infraction, not even a misdemeanor, let alone felony?

2) Just exactly how many licensed, law-abiding CCW holders has a DC cop ever met, especially on the job?

Blessings,
B

He's a cop in DC. He works for an area that is about as close to a "police state" as anywhere in the country. He is used to being part of the elite class.