U.S. House passes war pact with Israel (H.R. 4133)

[rambone]

The House of Representatives suspended its parliamentary rules and passed H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012, or USIESC.

It was drafted by AIPAC and sponsored by Eric Cantor. It includes more money for Israel, more missile subsidies, more training subsidies, more tank subsidies, more munition subsidies, more intelligence given to Israel, and a call to make NATO more Israel-centric. It also reaffirms "the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state."

It passed 411-2. Only Rep. Ron Paul, and one Democrat, dissented from the herd.




House Passes Stealth Legislation

It is interesting to note what exactly the bill pledges the American people to do on behalf of Israel. It obligates the United States to veto resolutions critical of Israel, to provide such military support “as is necessary,” to pay for the building of an anti-missile system, to provide advanced “defense” equipment (including refueling tankers, which are offensive), to give Israel special munitions (i.e., bunker-busters, which are also offensive), to forward deploy more U.S. military equipment to Israel, to offer the Israeli air force more training and facilities in the U.S., to increase security- and advanced-technology-program cooperation, and to extend loan guarantees and expand intelligence-sharing (including highly sensitive satellite imagery). Actually, there’s even more included, and I may have missed the kitchen sink. But the objective is to provide Israel with the resources to attack Iran, if it chooses to do so, while tying the U.S. and Israel so closely together that whatever Benjamin Netanyahu does, the U.S. “will always be there,” as our president has so aptly put it.

But the scariest bit of the bill is its call for “an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises.” If Israel becomes part of NATO, which is clearly Congress’s intent, the U.S. and other members will be obligated to come to the aid of a nation that is expanding its borders and is currently engaged in hostilities with three of its neighbors. Israel has also initiated a series of regional wars. Whether NATO membership for Israel would benefit anyone is questionable, but it is something the neocons have been seeking for years, to turn Israel’s wars into a new crusade against the Muslim world.

http://www.gop.gov/bill/112/2/hr4133

 

[rambone]

Ron Paul's statement against USIESC

Statement on US-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012

While I absolutely believe that Israel – and any other nation -- should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by US taxpayers and backed up by the US military.

This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to "reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state." However, according to our Constitution the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the US.

More than 20 years after the reason for NATO's existence – the Warsaw Pact – has disappeared, this legislation seeks to find a new mission for that anachronistic alliance: the defense of Israel. Calling for "an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises," it reads like a dream for interventionists and the military industrial complex. As I have said many times, NATO should be disbanded not expanded.

This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East. It will implicitly authorize much more US interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both. I urge my colleagues to vote against this bill.

 

[rambone]

House Passes HR 4133 Binding the US to Israel and Their War Agenda

The distractions in the mainstream media concerning Obama are just that. The sudden inflation of gay rights in the political arena and other nonsensical and unimportant social memes are being touted as if they will define our nation.

The USIESC has clearly set a precedent and definition of who America is.

The Obama administration, under careful control of the global Elite, is consolidating powers with Israel in a joint effort to take over the world . . . by toppling one government at a time.

 

[ATOMonkey]

It's about time. Bombs don't blow themselves up, and bullets don't shoot themselves.

We're wasting money having those things sitting on a shelf. Besides, just imagine how much we'll stimulate the economy with more bullet and bomb orders.

You're such a downer...

 

[45fan]

A treaty or pact to help keep Israel safe is not entirely bad. Continuing to be a member of NATO when countries that are members leave us with nothing to possibly gain in return is the difficult thing to stomach. When one hand is supposed to wash the other, but one of the hands only sits there and complains with an open palm, the other side ends up with a dirty hand.

 

[strahd71]

A treaty or pact to help keep Israel safe is not entirely bad. Continuing to be a member of NATO when countries that are members leave us with nothing to possibly gain in return is the difficult thing to stomach. When one hand is supposed to wash the other, but one of the hands only sits there and complains with an open palm, the other side ends up with a dirty hand.

Yep! Time to get out if the UN and NATO

Jake

 

[Wreaver]

Yep! Time to get out if the UN and NATO

Jake

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

A treaty or pact to help keep Israel safe is not entirely bad.

Care to elaborate? Is this a "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" type deal?

 

[IndyDave1776]

I would point out concerning Israel that we are left with an obligation considering that Jimmy Carter leveraged them into giving up the only oil-producing territory they had in exchange for financial aid from us. Unless we want to boot Egypt out of the Sinai Peninsula, I would say we are on the hook for that one.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I would point out concerning Israel that we are left with an obligation considering that Jimmy Carter leveraged them into giving up the only oil-producing territory they had in exchange for financial aid from us. Unless we want to boot Egypt out of the Sinai Peninsula, I would say we are on the hook for that one.

SHUT UP MAN! Don't you realize that Israel is the Little Satan and has never done us any good in recorded history? Why in the world would we want to support the only true democratic government in the Middle East, when we could suck up to Islamic radicalist governments who hate us?

 

[rambone]

SHUT UP MAN! Don't you realize that Israel is the Little Satan and has never done us any good in recorded history? Why in the world would we want to support the only true democratic government in the Middle East, when we could suck up to Islamic radicalist governments who hate us?

Just because I don't support global wealth redistribution doesn't mean I'm calling anybody "Satan."

Lets try this.

Suck up to nobody.

Support ourselves.

Pull out of the middle east.

Stop spending.

Let the international welfare queens support themselves for a change.

 

[hornadylnl]

I guess the guy who warned us about entangling alliances was just a drunken old fool.

 

[rambone]

 

[Bapak2ja]

SHUT UP MAN! Don't you realize that Israel is the Little Satan and has never done us any good in recorded history? Why in the world would we want to support the only true democratic government in the Middle East, when we could suck up to Islamic radicalist governments who hate us?

Love the sarcasm!

 

[Bapak2ja]

Just because I don't support global wealth redistribution doesn't mean I'm calling anybody "Satan."

Lets try this.

Suck up to nobody.

Support ourselves.

Pull out of the middle east.

Stop spending.

Let the international welfare queens support themselves for a change.

I could go along with this, but I would still guarantee Israel's existence as part of a long-term commitment. At some point, we Americans must learn to keep our word.

 

[Lex Concord]

What do you mean "we", INGO man?

I could go along with this, but I would still guarantee Israel's existence as part of a long-term commitment. At some point, we Americans must learn to keep our word.

I think that little two-letter word - we - is the problem.

The collective "we" that elected Jimmy Carter doesn't include me, or many people on this board, yet the current collective "we" is (yes, is) saddled with wrestling with those obligations.

In the same vein, many of the "we" who elected FDR 4 times are long gone, yet "we" and generations of "we" to come are saddled with the massive debt for which his policies laid another cornerstone.

While "we" are at it, since he was elected by the current "we", should we support and keep the word of every proclamation and deed of the "we" figurehead currently in the oval office?

I think if we could find a way to restrict "we" to the present and the relative near term, we and all future "we"'s would be one hell of a lot better off.

 

[MMRUSH]

House Passes HR 4133 Binding the US to Israel and Their War Agenda

Please explain your last comments. Obama is a muslim, Can you honstly see muslims and Jews(Gods chosen people) working together to form a oneworld government?? ?

 

[hondatech2k2]

I guess the guy who warned us about entangling alliances was just a drunken old fool.

Several of the founders felt this way. They explained that alliances only guaranteed a long road of hardships and problems when one needs to only look after their own problems. And if I am not mistaken...hasn't the Israeli PM publicly stated that Israel does not need American support? Seems like to me with the gubbermint and NATO/UN talking about military action in Syria and then making treaties like this....just reaffirms to me that the US military and US taxpayers are footing the bill for conforming the world into one big happy place to live!

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

SHUT UP MAN! Don't you realize that Israel is the Little Satan and has never done us any good in recorded history? Why in the world would we want to support the only true democratic government in the Middle East, when we could suck up to Islamic radicalist governments who hate us?

Probably because we cant afford to.

I mean there are poor people who need to eat, you going to rack up your credit card to feed them? Imo we need to get our own financial business in order before we keep sending money we dont have elsewhere, no matter where it goes.

 

[IndyDave1776]

In any event, we give more money and assistance to hostile or relatively hostile nations than we do to friendly ones. That is where I would start with the scissors.