John Lennon's Communist Anthem

[rambone]

Think about it.

The main principles of Communism are consolidation of power, banned religion, no right to own private property.

Not to mention the constant lie of a utopian society with no misery, and constant jabs at their arch enemies: the greedy capitalist pigs who live in this thing called freedom.

Now read his lyrics and listen to the song.



YouTube - Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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Just some food for thought folks. We have been propagandized for years. We've been fed the lie of the socialists for more than a generation, leading us to... the USSA.

John Lennon, or should I say "Lenin," was a commie.

 

[antsi]

A lot of celebrities and entertainers live in a magical fantasy world where they are free to indulge their utopian ideals without regard to the real world. This leads to a great deal of confusion, which causes them to speak in absurdities. Or, in Mr Lennon's case, to sing in absurdities.

Occasionally, people who live in the real world make the mistake of taking celebrities' fairy-tale ramblings seriously, as if they are providing a practicable blueprint for real life.

 

[Denny347]

Oh I think you are reading too much into this. Reading it I have a different take on it. He is telling us to imagine a world without conflict caused by religions and greed. I doubt that he believed it was possible but who cares, it's a song based on his feelings (most likely). Sure, it would be nice to see the end of conflict based on these and other absurd reasons. Is it ever going to happen, heck no. I doubt Lennon was a communist.

 

[photoshooter]

WKRP

 

[agentl074]

John Lennon, or should I say "Lenin," was a commie.

While interesting — without documentary evidence (lyrics don't count lol) — this may be defamatory (libelous). Now if you can prove that he was a communist then you would be good to go.

 

[flatlander]

Oh I think you are reading too much into this. Reading it I have a different take on it. He is telling us to imagine a world without conflict caused by religions and greed. I doubt that he believed it was possible but who cares, it's a song based on his feelings (most likely). Sure, it would be nice to see the end of conflict based on these and other absurd reasons. Is it ever going to happen, heck no. I doubt Lennon was a communist.

I remember the times I heard it on the radio when it came out. Have to agree it would be nice but it's not in mans nature. Killings been happening since Cain and Abel and I don't see it ever stopping to be honest. I think Lennon was just playing to the audience of the times
Bob

 

[Bill of Rights]

WKRP

If you hadn't made this reference, I would have. That was a classic episode.

For those who didn't see it, an ultra-Christian (obvious jab at the "Moral Majority" of the day) group started announcing boycotts of the station's advertisers in an effort to make the music being played more in keeping with what they called "good moral standards", them finding fault with a lyric of a song meant that none of that artist's music was acceptable to play. Finally, the station manager (Mr. Carlson, played by Gordon Jump) handed the group's leader the lyrics to this song, and indeed, he reached the same conclusion reached here: "Well, it's clearly atheist and communist! It says there's no Heaven!"

Carlson replied, "No. It says Imagine there's no Heaven." He then went on (paraquote) to say, "The only thing clear about this is that you want to control what people think, and you'll not do it using my station." and proceeded to kick them all out of his office.

I don't have a problem with Mr. Lennon's imaginings. I have a problem with those who try to implement them into reality. Then again, I also have a problem with the concept of people feeling so threatened by what someone else thinks that they feel like they have to try to control it and force it to be just like them.

The bottom line, to me, is that none of us has to be wrong and none of us has to be right. We can, in fact, all just be, and be the best each of us is capable of being, and when we finally do find out for certain what the Hereafter is, I think that if we do that, He'll understand and welcome us home.

My opinion. Others are welcome to share in it if they wish. I hasten to say that no one is compelled to do so, at least not by me.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[rambone]

The most profound verse is Imagine no possessions. This is core Communist philosophy. I can't think of any other influence besides Communism that promotes such an idea.



An interesting quote from Fidel Castro, the Communist leader of Cuba, as he unveiled his life-sized bronze statue of John Lennon:

John-Lennon.com - Castro Unveils A Statue Of Lennon In Havana On December 8, 2000[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

``What makes him great in my eyes is his thinking, his ideas,'' Castro told reporters after the ceremony, which was timed to coincide with the 20th anniversary of Lennon's murder in New York.

``I share his dreams completely. I too am a dreamer who has seen his dreams turn into reality,'' added the 74-year-old former guerrilla who took power in the 1959 Cuban Revolution.[/FONT]

I mean only to bring up something that has crossed my mind before and many others have written about. I can't prove his political ideology any more than I could prove my own. He was one of the richest and most famous people in the world, had reaped all the benefits this country has to offer, but was a strong critic of the system that brought him his success.

Imagine there's no countries

I further submit to you that his ideal world exists under one world government. But I digress...

 

[Jack Ryan]

Music with words! OMG! Even has words that actually mean things.

Yep, that's got to be communist, for shizzzle drizzel my dog. Word.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I think it's more that he was promoting people not being so concerned about the things which divide us, one person from another-money, (man-made) religion, nationality, "have" v. "have not", etc. and concentrate more on what brings us together, i.e. we are all human, we all share this planet, etc.

There is a theory proposed by Maslow which describes a hierarchy of needs; that is, we focus on life needs like air, food, water, heat, shelter, etc., first. When those needs are met, we can then focus on things that are less essential, but necessary for our continuation, like companionship (leading on to reproduction), future planning for expected needs (think preppers), and once those are met, we can focus on comfort; non-essential wants, creature comforts. I recall that there were five levels of needs, but it's been a long time since I studied this, and I can't quote it exactly. Suffice it to say that we take care of immediate needs long before we worry about minor things.

To put it in sci-fi terms, if our planet was attacked tomorrow by Bugs From Outer Space (tm), I'd like to think that nationalities and ideologies would make little difference and we would all band together to fight a common enemy. As long as that common enemy does not materialize, we're free to bicker and argue about who has more stuff or whose God can pee farther than someone else's, and once that common enemy is gone, I'm reasonably certain that if we survived, we'd return to our petty bickering.

I don't really see a problem with his song. I think he was simply saying that it'd be really nice if we could see each other not as rivals for everything but as fellow humans with whom we have more in common than we usually realize.



Blessings,
Bill

 

[Manan]

I'm trying to remember all the free music, records, tapes, CD's etc that the Beatles gave away and all the free concerts, and all the other stuff that they did for free.

Wait, I can't remember any. But maybe I could "imagine" it.

 

[NHT3]

I don't pretend to be a profound thinker but it seems to me that any form of Government might work well as long as the people in power were honest and had a real concern for the populace. As it's stated in the Bible "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil" . It always seems to come back to someone taking from those that have little so they can have more than they can possibly use.

 

[Denny347]

I think it's more that he was promoting people not being so concerned about the things which divide us, one person from another-money, (man-made) religion, nationality, "have" v. "have not", etc. and concentrate more on what brings us together, i.e. we are all human, we all share this planet, etc.

There is a theory proposed by Maslow which describes a hierarchy of needs; that is, we focus on life needs like air, food, water, heat, shelter, etc., first. When those needs are met, we can then focus on things that are less essential, but necessary for our continuation, like companionship (leading on to reproduction), future planning for expected needs (think preppers), and once those are met, we can focus on comfort; non-essential wants, creature comforts. I recall that there were five levels of needs, but it's been a long time since I studied this, and I can't quote it exactly. Suffice it to say that we take care of immediate needs long before we worry about minor things.

To put it in sci-fi terms, if our planet was attacked tomorrow by Bugs From Outer Space (tm), I'd like to think that nationalities and ideologies would make little difference and we would all band together to fight a common enemy. As long as that common enemy does not materialize, we're free to bicker and argue about who has more stuff or whose God can pee farther than someone else's, and once that common enemy is gone, I'm reasonably certain that if we survived, we'd return to our petty bickering.

I don't really see a problem with his song. I think he was simply saying that it'd be really nice if we could see each other not as rivals for everything but as fellow humans with whom we have more in common than we usually realize.



Blessings,
Bill

Yeah, What he said.

 

[mikea46996]

I think it's more that he was promoting people not being so concerned about the things which divide us, one person from another-money, (man-made) religion, nationality, "have" v. "have not", etc. and concentrate more on what brings us together, i.e. we are all human, we all share this planet, etc.

There is a theory proposed by Maslow which describes a hierarchy of needs; that is, we focus on life needs like air, food, water, heat, shelter, etc., first. When those needs are met, we can then focus on things that are less essential, but necessary for our continuation, like companionship (leading on to reproduction), future planning for expected needs (think preppers), and once those are met, we can focus on comfort; non-essential wants, creature comforts. I recall that there were five levels of needs, but it's been a long time since I studied this, and I can't quote it exactly. Suffice it to say that we take care of immediate needs long before we worry about minor things.

To put it in sci-fi terms, if our planet was attacked tomorrow by Bugs From Outer Space (tm), I'd like to think that nationalities and ideologies would make little difference and we would all band together to fight a common enemy. As long as that common enemy does not materialize, we're free to bicker and argue about who has more stuff or whose God can pee farther than someone else's, and once that common enemy is gone, I'm reasonably certain that if we survived, we'd return to our petty bickering.

I don't really see a problem with his song. I think he was simply saying that it'd be really nice if we could see each other not as rivals for everything but as fellow humans with whom we have more in common than we usually realize.



Blessings,
Bill

Somebody is a Starship Trooper Fan!!!! The first on was good the others sucked!!!

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[Phil502]

Lennon probably was a commie, he sure as heck was far left wing.

Here is a 1971 interview with him he mentions a few things about his beliefs.

Power to the People: The Lost John Lennon Interview 1971 Kasama

 

[rambone]

There is a theory proposed by Maslow which describes a hierarchy of needs; that is, we focus on life needs like air, food, water, heat, shelter, etc., first. When those needs are met, we can then focus on things that are less essential, but necessary for our continuation, like companionship (leading on to reproduction), future planning for expected needs (think preppers), and once those are met, we can focus on comfort; non-essential wants, creature comforts. I recall that there were five levels of needs, but it's been a long time since I studied this, and I can't quote it exactly. Suffice it to say that we take care of immediate needs long before we worry about minor things.

I remember reading about Maslow in a psych class I took in college. It seems to me that if his utopia were to ever exist, people would never need to evolve past the bottom tier, obtaining physiological needs. After all the lyrics say, "Imagine all the people Living for today..." which implies no prepping - preparing for tomorrow, plus it explicitly says "no possessions" so you have no property or resources. Perhaps more accurately, it completely ignores the Safety tier.

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To put it in sci-fi terms, if our planet was attacked tomorrow by Bugs From Outer Space (tm), I'd like to think that nationalities and ideologies would make little difference and we would all band together to fight a common enemy. As long as that common enemy does not materialize, we're free to bicker and argue about who has more stuff or whose God can pee farther than someone else's, and once that common enemy is gone, I'm reasonably certain that if we survived, we'd return to our petty bickering.

I'd wager that the liberals would be against the war and would strive to see that we lost it. Lol

I don't really see a problem with his song. I think he was simply saying that it'd be really nice if we could see each other not as rivals for everything but as fellow humans with whom we have more in common than we usually realize.

Just trying to provoke some thought in people. This discussion has been had many times in the past 40 years about Lennon. As someone pointed out, he was certainly far-left. Today that's practically synonymous with socialist.

He was politically minded and politically active by his own admission. He wrote 2 books with "many knocks at religion" and handed out political fliers in school. He wrote a play about a "capitalist and a worker." Advancement of his message in a song was possible and likely. He was a dreamer, but its not the American dream. Good convo folks, keep it comin.

 

[hornadylnl]

No point in arguing about a band who sucks.

 

[EchoEchoEcho]

No point in arguing about a band who sucks.

Pretty much the entire rest of the music critic world is going to disagree with you on that.

Wasting your life fretting about subliminal pro-communism hints being transmitted via song lyrics ranks up there with watching grass grow on the productivity scale.

 

[ruger17hmr]

Wow, what kind of twisted mind would disgrace the song of century?

How can anyone with any sense of artistic appreciation conjure up such a demented idea?

John Lennon, if you are here with us, know that I live to see the World as you so elegantly described in your song.

"Imagine", what a beautiful song!

P.S It is never the system that fails, it is always the people.

 

[hornadylnl]

I wasn't worried about the beatles political leanings. I just don't think they were that good. They don't hold a candle to pink floyd.