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      |  John Lennon's Communist Anthem Think about it. The main principles of Communism are consolidation of power, banned religion, no right to own private property. Not to mention the constant lie of a utopian society with no misery, and constant jabs at their arch enemies: the greedy capitalist pigs who live in this thing called freedom. Now read his lyrics and listen to the song. Quote:
Just some food for thought folks. We have been propagandized for years. We've been fed the lie of the socialists for more than a generation, leading us to... the USSA. John Lennon, or should I say "Lenin," was a commie. 
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| A lot of celebrities and entertainers live in a magical fantasy world where they are free to indulge their utopian ideals without regard to the real world. This leads to a great deal of confusion, which causes them to speak in absurdities. Or, in Mr Lennon's case, to sing in absurdities. Occasionally, people who live in the real world make the mistake of taking celebrities' fairy-tale ramblings seriously, as if they are providing a practicable blueprint for real life.
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| Oh I think you are reading too much into this. Reading it I have a different take on it. He is telling us to imagine a world without conflict caused by religions and greed. I doubt that he believed it was possible but who cares, it's a song based on his feelings (most likely). Sure, it would be nice to see the end of conflict based on these and other absurd reasons. Is it ever going to happen, heck no. I doubt Lennon was a communist.
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For those who didn't see it, an ultra-Christian (obvious jab at the "Moral Majority" of the day) group started announcing boycotts of the station's advertisers in an effort to make the music being played more in keeping with what they called "good moral standards", them finding fault with a lyric of a song meant that none of that artist's music was acceptable to play. Finally, the station manager (Mr. Carlson, played by Gordon Jump) handed the group's leader the lyrics to this song, and indeed, he reached the same conclusion reached here: "Well, it's clearly atheist and communist! It says there's no Heaven!" Carlson replied, "No. It says Imagine there's no Heaven." He then went on (paraquote) to say, "The only thing clear about this is that you want to control what people think, and you'll not do it using my station." and proceeded to kick them all out of his office. I don't have a problem with Mr. Lennon's imaginings. I have a problem with those who try to implement them into reality. Then again, I also have a problem with the concept of people feeling so threatened by what someone else thinks that they feel like they have to try to control it and force it to be just like them. The bottom line, to me, is that none of us has to be wrong and none of us has to be right. We can, in fact, all just be, and be the best each of us is capable of being, and when we finally do find out for certain what the Hereafter is, I think that if we do that, He'll understand and welcome us home. My opinion. Others are welcome to share in it if they wish. I hasten to say that no one is compelled to do so, at least not by me. Blessings, Bill
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| The most profound verse is Imagine no possessions. This is core Communist philosophy. I can't think of any other influence besides Communism that promotes such an idea. An interesting quote from Fidel Castro, the Communist leader of Cuba, as he unveiled his life-sized bronze statue of John Lennon: Quote:
I mean only to bring up something that has crossed my mind before and many others have written about. I can't prove his political ideology any more than I could prove my own. He was one of the richest and most famous people in the world, had reaped all the benefits this country has to offer, but was a strong critic of the system that brought him his success. Quote:
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| I think it's more that he was promoting people not being so concerned about the things which divide us, one person from another-money, (man-made) religion, nationality, "have" v. "have not", etc. and concentrate more on what brings us together, i.e. we are all human, we all share this planet, etc. There is a theory proposed by Maslow which describes a hierarchy of needs; that is, we focus on life needs like air, food, water, heat, shelter, etc., first. When those needs are met, we can then focus on things that are less essential, but necessary for our continuation, like companionship (leading on to reproduction), future planning for expected needs (think preppers), and once those are met, we can focus on comfort; non-essential wants, creature comforts. I recall that there were five levels of needs, but it's been a long time since I studied this, and I can't quote it exactly. Suffice it to say that we take care of immediate needs long before we worry about minor things. To put it in sci-fi terms, if our planet was attacked tomorrow by Bugs From Outer Space (tm), I'd like to think that nationalities and ideologies would make little difference and we would all band together to fight a common enemy. As long as that common enemy does not materialize, we're free to bicker and argue about who has more stuff or whose God can pee farther than someone else's, and once that common enemy is gone, I'm reasonably certain that if we survived, we'd return to our petty bickering. I don't really see a problem with his song. I think he was simply saying that it'd be really nice if we could see each other not as rivals for everything but as fellow humans with whom we have more in common than we usually realize. Blessings, Bill
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