Obama removes 2nd Amendment from his ISSUES webpage

[ATM]

He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent,

because it worked so brilliantly!

as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

Hello? Our streets are battlefields and not all of our enemies are foreign.

[BloodEclipse]

Originally Posted by ATM

Hello? Our streets are battlefields and not all of our enemies are foreign.

Somehow I think he is personally aware of this fact.

[ar15junkie]

Originally Posted by melensdad

Well isn't that slimy! He used to have a whole section on GUN POLICY but removed it, then buried his gun ban agenda under "Urban Policy"

What I don't understand is why isn't McCain bringing up the gun issue? Is he waiting for a debate? There are a lot of gun owners who still are supporting Obama, this could be one of the defining issues but nobody is bringing it up!

This is going to go over like a lead balloon. McCain sponsored 2 anti gun bills. Obama sponsored 0. More info here. John McCain -- GOA 2008 Presidential Candidates and the Second Amendment

Obama is without a doubt far more anti 2nd than McCain, however neither candidate has a good record so its really a losing issue for both parties. So they'll brush it under the rug.

Not that it really matters. Gun owners will still compromise their values and vote for the lessor of two evils.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by ar15junkie

This is going to go over like a lead balloon. McCain sponsored 2 anti gun bills. Obama sponsored 0. More info here. John McCain -- GOA 2008 Presidential Candidates and the Second Amendment

Obama is without a doubt far more anti 2nd than McCain, however neither candidate has a good record so its really a losing issue for both parties. So they'll brush it under the rug.

Not that it really matters. Gun owners will still compromise their values and vote for the lessor of two evils.

We have a choice between:
Candidate A: has tried to make it clear that he will support our 2A rights. Yes his record is mixed.

or

Candidate B: has PLAINLY and clearly said he will support a permanent ban
on what would probably equate to any firearm deemed "not sporting" and
repeal provisions that inhibit gun traces (is it me or does that sound
like mandatory registration?)
Which means you'd have to change your member name to
"blackpowderjunkie" or "Rem700junkie"


I'd be compromising some of my values no matter who I voted for.
It just depends on the priority of your values.
The 2A is up there right around number 2 on my value list.

I'm not so sure Obama hasn't sponsored some gun control bills at the state/local level.
You know, the IL FOID card and chicago's wonderful laws.
It's hard to tell, he's done so little, except vote "present" when
a simple "yes or no" would suffice.

[Bigum1969]

As Justus stated, it is nearly impossible to not compromise on some values when you vote for a President.

I have many values that are important to me. I'm not sure I will ever find for a candidate that shares all my values. I simply prioritize what is most important and try to figure out which candidate most closely matches.

[raiven]

and so the attacks on our rights continue by osama obama he has blind sided many.

[BloodEclipse]

Obama’s Voting Record in the Illinois State Senate « Think On These Things

CRIME & GUN CONTROL
Voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home. (2004)
Voted to let retired police and military police carry concealed weapons. (2004)
Successfully sponsored requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects in some serious crimes. (2003)
Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets. (2003)
Helped pass an overhaul of the state’s troubled death penalty system. (2003)
Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002)
Unsuccessfully sponsored limit of one handgun purchase per month. (2000)
Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)

That came from a Pro Obama site at the link on top.


Here is another link with issues info.

Barack Obama on the Issues



Click here for 11 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.

• Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
• FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
• Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
• Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
• 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
• Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
• Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
• Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
• Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
• Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
• Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

[bwframe]

Originally Posted by Justus

Candidate B: has PLAINLY and clearly said he will support a permanent ban
on what would probably equate to any firearm deemed "not sporting" and
repeal provisions that inhibit gun traces (is it me or does that sound
like mandatory registration?)

This is something that those third party voters should thoroughly review before letting their vote default to an Obama victory. You are assuming that another AWB will be just like the last, with some work arounds and a sunset. The antis learned from their mistakes on that ban. They won't make them again. It will be all or nothing.

[ar15junkie]

Originally Posted by Justus

We have a choice between:
Candidate A: has tried to make it clear that he will support our 2A rights. Yes his record is mixed.

or

Candidate B: has PLAINLY and clearly said he will support a permanent ban
on what would probably equate to any firearm deemed "not sporting" and
repeal provisions that inhibit gun traces (is it me or does that sound
like mandatory registration?)
Which means you'd have to change your member name to
"blackpowderjunkie" or "Rem700junkie"


I'd be compromising some of my values no matter who I voted for.
It just depends on the priority of your values.
The 2A is up there right around number 2 on my value list.

I'm not so sure Obama hasn't sponsored some gun control bills at the state/local level.
You know, the IL FOID card and chicago's wonderful laws.
It's hard to tell, he's done so little, except vote "present" when
a simple "yes or no" would suffice.

I have so little faith in our politicians that I have trouble accepting what they claim their position is on any issue.

My point was simply that both parties have voted for anti gun measures in the past. Maybe its more fair to say that McCain is less anti gun than obama, for whatever thats worth.