Who makes good defensive 5.7x28mm ammo?

[MilitaryArms]

I need to find some good commerical 5.7x28mm ammo for testing in ballistics gel. I've been trying to find some Elite Ammo loads but they're perpetually out of stock. Is there anyone else that makes a good defensive load that's actually for sale somewhere?

 

[wesnellans]

I need to find some good commerical 5.7x28mm ammo for testing in ballistics gel. I've been trying to find some Elite Ammo loads but they're perpetually out of stock. Is there anyone else that makes a good defensive load that's actually for sale somewhere?

Believe it or not, this was just posted by Midwest yesterday. I'd have to think the HP would be good?

Midwest Gun Exchange Weekly Email Specials

EDIT. Just found this. Not too shabby...

http://youtu.be/N8zlPlolpG4

 

[Tombs]

5.7x28mm hollow points are non-expanding. They're aluminium cored.

The load shown in your image is SS198 which is generally only available to police/military. It's a 27gr aluminium cored hollow point that moves around 2200fps from the five seven handgun. It's just a hotter load of the SS195. The SS195 generally clocks around 1900fps.

The SS198 would indeed be the best commercial load for the five seven, but obtaining it is generally very hard. The SS197SR is pretty lack luster, and the SS195 is extremely under powered.

For an honest test, I'd recommend you avoid elite ammunition of any of these 3rd party manufacturers because that's unfair to the platform. Test it with what's commonly available, SS197 and SS195. Anything else would be slightly misleading.

I really wish SS198 was more commonly available, because the five seven would become my daily carry if it was.

 

[MilitaryArms]

Thanks, Tombs.

I will of course test the commercial ammo that's available but I also what to show what's available for the defensive market. If I don't, I will get pounced by the 5.7 crowd as having not tested purpose built defensive loads and they'll say no one in their right mind would carry the commercial stuff for personal defense. I know this because of previous conversations on other boards.

 

[wesnellans]

I guess I'm confused. If they're advertising it in generally released ads, couldn't you purchase as many boxes as you could get your hands on and the problem would be solved?

 

[saynation]

5.7x28mm hollow points are non-expanding. They're aluminium cored.

The load shown in your image is SS198 which is generally only available to police/military. It's a 27gr aluminium cored hollow point that moves around 2200fps from the five seven handgun. It's just a hotter load of the SS195. The SS195 generally clocks around 1900fps.

The SS198 would indeed be the best commercial load for the five seven, but obtaining it is generally very hard. The SS197SR is pretty lack luster, and the SS195 is extremely under powered.

For an honest test, I'd recommend you avoid elite ammunition of any of these 3rd party manufacturers because that's unfair to the platform. Test it with what's commonly available, SS197 and SS195. Anything else would be slightly misleading.

I really wish SS198 was more commonly available, because the five seven would become my daily carry if it was.

MAC and Tombs, we have a large quantity of LE/MIL SS198LF available for sale to the public right now. And I will gladly be able to set some aside for you today for you to pick up at a later time.

 

[MilitaryArms]

MAC and Tombs, we have a large quantity of LE/MIL SS198LF available for sale to the public right now. And I will gladly be able to set some aside for you today for you to pick up at a later time.

I would be grateful to get my hands on a couple of boxes for ballistics gel testing and penetration testing (for video). What's the best way to get you payment? Thanks a bunch.

 

[saynation]

Usually over the phone. The store I work at opens at 10 AM Eastern, I don't work today but I'll pop in at opening and throw a couple boxes on a layaway ticket for you.

Store's number is 574-257-0020 (option 3), call and ask for Stephen.

 

[saynation]

MAC I'm ready and waiting if you want to give me a call. (I got here 10 minutes early)

 

[Paul30]

The SS198 would indeed be the best commercial load for the five seven, but obtaining it is generally very hard.

I really wish SS198 was more commonly available, because the five seven would become my daily carry if it was.

The SS198 restriction is per FN, not a legal restriction. Most gun stores that carry it will sell it to any citizen. Last time I saw it the price was around $40 per box of 50. I thought that was high at the time.

 

[MilitaryArms]

MAC I'm ready and waiting if you want to give me a call. (I got here 10 minutes early)

Sorry man, I was out all day at a fund raiser for a local candidate for Sheriff. I can give you a call today if you'll be around.

 

[saynation]

I'll be at the store from 10-7 today. Give me a call.

 

[saynation]

Hey MAC,

Sorry if you may have felt kind of rushed today. We were pretty busy with the ND game and all. I think I was bouncing between multiple customers for most of the day. Anyways I'm glad I was able to help you out.

I'm interested in seeing how your test turns out.

 

[MilitaryArms]

Hey MAC,

Sorry if you may have felt kind of rushed today. We were pretty busy with the ND game and all. I think I was bouncing between multiple customers for most of the day. Anyways I'm glad I was able to help you out.

I'm interested in seeing how your test turns out.

I hope to shoot the video in the next couple of days. Thanks for all the help. Chances are, I'll want to buy another 3-4 boxes of the stuff to just to keep around for future videos.

 

[ChalupaCabras]

I need to find some good commerical 5.7x28mm ammo for testing in ballistics gel. I've been trying to find some Elite Ammo loads but they're perpetually out of stock. Is there anyone else that makes a good defensive load that's actually for sale somewhere?

put your name on their mailing list like everyone else. They will tell you ahead of time when a batch of ammo will post to their website. You will have about 1 hour from that date and time to add your ammo to the shoping cart and checkout.

People don't understand how popular the FiveSeven is. Every year they sell more than the year before. All of the boutique manufacturors are perpetually behind the demand curve, and the major market manufacturors struggled to keep up with demand BEFORE Obama.

 

[saynation]

put your name on their mailing list like everyone else. They will tell you ahead of time when a batch of ammo will post to their website. You will have about 1 hour from that date and time to add your ammo to the shoping cart and checkout.

People don't understand how popular the FiveSeven is. Every year they sell more than the year before. All of the boutique manufacturors are perpetually behind the demand curve, and the major market manufacturors struggled to keep up with demand BEFORE Obama.

Got your PM, I can't reply back. (haven't hit 50 posts yet).

We're at 3415 Grape Road in Mishawaka 46545

We still have a several cases.

 

[Tombs]

The SS198 restriction is per FN, not a legal restriction. Most gun stores that carry it will sell it to any citizen. Last time I saw it the price was around $40 per box of 50. I thought that was high at the time.

SS190 is handled about the same but much more restricted. Anyone can own it, but getting a box is a headache. SS198 doesn't require the department to order it like SS190 does, at least as far as I understand.

MAC and Tombs, we have a large quantity of LE/MIL SS198LF available for sale to the public right now. And I will gladly be able to set some aside for you today for you to pick up at a later time.

As for the offer to sale me some, I certainly appreciate it, but I'm low on funds as I'm a bus driver and I'm recovering from the summer. After I have some money coming in I'll look you up, as I love carrying that firearm during the summer.

Thanks, Tombs.

I will of course test the commercial ammo that's available but I also what to show what's available for the defensive market. If I don't, I will get pounced by the 5.7 crowd as having not tested purpose built defensive loads and they'll say no one in their right mind would carry the commercial stuff for personal defense. I know this because of previous conversations on other boards.

As for obtaining elite ammunition for the testing, unless you can find people with a box to donate to you, I doubt you'll be able to get it. Their website makes it very clear that no one is getting anything from them unless they happen into getting components they haven't been able to get for a very long time.

So I'm not really sure that counts as "available" on the defensive market.

 

[Dim Mak]

My local Gander Mountain has a butt load of American Eagle in stock... $23.99 a box.