Springfield Loaded

[mikestripe]

Thinking about changing out the 2 piece guide to a standard one so I don't have to use the allen wrench to strip the gun down. Do I need to order one or can I pick one up at the 1500

 

[Hornett]

I am pretty sure that is an interchangeable part.
Get a new spring too.

 

[Leo]

Any spring guide for a government model will work.

 

[churchmouse]

Thinking about changing out the 2 piece guide to a standard one so I don't have to use the allen wrench to strip the gun down. Do I need to order one or can I pick one up at the 1500

There is a reason Springer puts the guide rod in the Loaded.

A G-I plug will work.

 

[Springer]

You should be able to get onw at the 1500. I picked up ed brown replacement parts and had no issues on my Loaded.

 

[Leo]

On a side note, you can locktite the one you have solid, and cut about .300" off of it and you will still have a full length rod, but you will not need to take it apart with an allen wrench to disassemble your pistol.

 

[churchmouse]

On a side note, you can locktite the one you have solid, and cut about .300" off of it and you will still have a full length rod, but you will not need to take it apart with an allen wrench to disassemble your pistol.

Never understood buying a loaded and not wanting to use a simple tool for take down. No knock on the OP but the guide rod is in place for a reason or Springer would not put it in the gun. A few conversations with the Springer custom shop a few years ago and every smith I know worth a darn fully believes they have merit. So do I. JMHO.
LEO is correct. Easy enough to do what he suggests but seriously......leave it in place. An allen takes what, an extra minute to use......Just saying.

 

[Drail]

"there is a reason Springer puts the guide rod in the Loaded" And what would that reason be?

 

[churchmouse]

"there is a reason Springer puts the guide rod in the Loaded" And what would that reason be?

Stabilizes the recoil spring.

Does it make a definite difference......

Do I run them in all my 1911's.....sure do.

 

[Drail]

Why does the spring need to be stabilized?

 

[churchmouse]

Why does the spring need to be stabilized?

It keeps the spring lined up for linear recoil control. If left loose it does not apply itself to the work in a linear fashion. It is easier to tune a 1911 in that area with the guide rod.

Will it work with out it....sure.

My 1942 Remington 1911 runs just fine with the plug. Would it readily respond to tuning without the rod......Not what I am told by those who seem to know far more on the subject than I do.

 

[Drail]

You need to watch out for those guys "who seem to know far more on the subject"....... Most of them don't.

 

[churchmouse]

You need to watch out for those guys "who seem to know far more on the subject"....... Most of them don't.

That is of course true on many levels.
This topic has been discussed and thrown around a lot.

Does it really do anything.....I can not prove/disprove that.

I have been shooting 1911's since I was 12 and working on/modifying them a long time.
I saw your post in the Kimber thread and thought you were playing devils advocate which is fine. I still learn something about these guns everyday that I deal with them.

 

[Leo]

I am not really against or for a full length recoil spring rod. But to note, I cannot think of many pistols that do not have one, except the Astra 400 and the Markorov that the barrel acts as a full length guide rod. I am unfamiliar with any of the poly pistols that do not use one. John Moses Browning must not be too against them, as the Browing Highpower 9mm has one.

 

[midget]

The full length guide rod does 2 things:
1. Keeps the spring from potentially binding on itself
2. Adds weight to the muzzle end of the gun

 

[churchmouse]

I am not really against or for a full length recoil spring rod. But to note, I cannot think of many pistols that do not have one, except the Astra 400 and the Markorov that the barrel acts as a full length guide rod.

If you look at how the spring winds up under the barrel without the rod to put it into a linear shape it does make sense to me. The spring drags on barrel and dust cover especially if you are running the gun hard. If it is contained it is held in place and directed in that linear fashion against the work.

Again.....can not prove/disprove the actual benefits but it just makes sense at least in my warped little mind. JMHO and nothing more.

 

[midget]

If you look at how the spring winds up under the barrel without the rod to put it into a linear shape it does make sense to me. The spring drags on barrel and dust cover especially if you are running the gun hard. If it is contained it is held in place and directed in that linear fashion against the work.

Again.....can not prove/disprove the actual benefits but it just makes sense at least in my warped little mind. JMHO and nothing more.

You can prove that adding non-reciprocating weight under the muzzle helps reduce the recoil impulse

 

[churchmouse]

You can prove that adding non-reciprocating weight under the muzzle helps reduce the recoil impulse

Yes that is provable. Also tuning the spring to the load assist as well.

 

[Leo]

The only thing I have in 1911 with a GI style recoil system is 9mm. With the light recoil spring for the 9mm, I can actually feel the slide running forward, as it is definately slower moving. I do notice there is a big shot-to-shot difference in feel as the slide and barrel runs back into battery. Next range trip, I'll take a full length set up and a gi system and shoot the 9mm 1911 with the same ammo, and see if I can feel any difference. It will be a good experiment.

 

[churchmouse]

The only thing I have in 1911 with a GI style recoil system is 9mm. With the light recoil spring for the 9mm, I can actually feel the slide running forward, as it is definately slower moving. I do notice there is a big shot-to-shot difference in feel as the slide and barrel runs back into battery. Next range trip, I'll take a full length set up and a gi system and shoot the 9mm 1911 with the same ammo, and see if I can feel any difference. It will be a good experiment.

Let us know. My guns all feel different with the 2 systems in place. Could be my imagination but maybe not.