Glock .... Still the best

[SigSense]

Originally Posted by esrice

And I will counter with . . . . if the M9 is so combat effective, why don't more LE agencies worldwide use it as their PRIMARY duty weapon?

The OP said "Combat" pistol, not LE, and if you don't know the difference I simply cannot assist you. You'll have to conduct more research. Now I will assist you with the following facts:

Nations that use the Glock as an "official" sidearm:
-Austria
-India
-Jordan
-Thailand
-Norway
-Philippines

Nations that use the Beretta as an "official" sidearm:
-Algeria
-Argentina
-Bosnia & Herzogovinia
-Brazil
-Colombia
-France
-Italy
-Malaysia
-Peru
-Poland
-Slovenia
-South Africa
-Spain
-Turkey
-United States

Just on the surface it appears that the Beretta is more popular. I am not denying that the Glock isn't a great, simple pistol (because it is!). I am focusing on combat pistols. In the US Military, there are two major DOD contracts for pistols; Sig and Beretta. I personally have used the Beretta in many places. We have a few M-11's (Sig 228) in our vault for concealed carry, but that is rare. Everyone that I know that owns a Glock loves it, and these are people that are very good with CQB etc.

I am just glad that we live in a nation where we can pick & choose our personal sidearm! Hopefully that will last forever, because the day it stops...

[Indy317]

Originally Posted by SigSense

The OP said "Combat" pistol, not LE, and if you don't know the difference I simply cannot assist you. You'll have to conduct more research. Now I will assist you with the following facts:

Nations that use the Glock as an "official" sidearm:
-Austria
-India
-Jordan
-Thailand
-Norway
-Philippines

Nations that use the Beretta as an "official" sidearm:
-Algeria
-Argentina
-Bosnia & Herzogovinia
-Brazil
-Colombia
-France
-Italy
-Malaysia
-Peru
-Poland
-Slovenia
-South Africa
-Spain
-Turkey
-United States

The problem with lists like this is there are sometimes other reasons why one weapon is chosen over another. I have heard Beretta is an Italian company, so obviously Italy is going to use the Beretta. Glock is Austrian, so they are going to use Glocks. Something tells me that Germany uses the HK, but I am not sure. Next comes the price offered, ability to build your own plant on your own soil, etc.. The rumor I heard years ago was that the US military wanted to go to the simple to use, battle tested Glock, but that when they wanted to be able to make Glocks on US soil, the company wouldn't have it, that Glocks were to be built in Austria only. As such, my understanding is that there is a Beretta manufacturing plant on US soil. My Beretta is stamped "Made in USA." As far as I know, all Glocks are made in Austria. I am sure there are other political/monetary reasons for countries to carry a certain pistol over another.

[Jeremiah]

Originally Posted by SigSense

The OP said "Combat" pistol, not LE, and if you don't know the difference I simply cannot assist you. You'll have to conduct more research. Now I will assist you with the following facts:

Nations that use the Glock as an "official" sidearm:
-Austria
-India
-Jordan
-Thailand
-Norway
-Philippines

Nations that use the Beretta as an "official" sidearm:
-Algeria
-Argentina
-Bosnia & Herzogovinia
-Brazil
-Colombia
-France
-Italy
-Malaysia
-Peru
-Poland
-Slovenia
-South Africa
-Spain
-Turkey
-United States

Just on the surface it appears that the Beretta is more popular. I am not denying that the Glock isn't a great, simple pistol (because it is!). I am focusing on combat pistols. In the US Military, there are two major DOD contracts for pistols; Sig and Beretta. I personally have used the Beretta in many places. We have a few M-11's (Sig 228) in our vault for concealed carry, but that is rare. Everyone that I know that owns a Glock loves it, and these are people that are very good with CQB etc.

I am just glad that we live in a nation where we can pick & choose our personal sidearm! Hopefully that will last forever, because the day it stops...

WE also chose the M14 over the FAL that just proves we are capable of making bad descisons, based on many factors other then preformence.

There are MANY companies that make a good living making parts to correct the short comings of the 1911. anyone that has a Stock 1911 A1 probably doesn't leave it that way for long, at least that is what I have seen, a stock GI spec 1911 A1 almost always get new barrels, sights, trigger,s hammers, beavertails, etc. but I may just have limited experience with realife people and internet pictures.

the other thing I may have to point our is the WAlther P99AS may be the only improvement on the Glock ( at least until I get to play with a smith M&P 9mm pro series) the "decocker" is truly a handy feature. It allows you to return your trigger to the original position before putting it into the holster, for whatever reason it may not be at the "full length of Pull".
Glock 19 size, fully supported chamber with a capable feed ramp, smooth trigger, ergo grips, lighter slide( and prettier), ambidextrious mag release, the bar type( hk style) mag release is really enjoyable if you give it an honest appraisal, All and All the P99 may be full of more win then the Glock 19 and maybe one of my next purchases, if so it will probaby replace my glock 19 for EDC. but even so the glocks and P99's are WAY better then the 1911, sig P220 (.45), XD, etc, Just drink the kool-aid and call it a day.

Tacos rule.

[HICKMAN]

Originally Posted by SigSense

You do have to ask a serious question though.....if the Glock is so combat effective, why don't more nation's use it as their PRIMARY duty weapon?

Because they want a faggy safety on it because officers are tards

and the other question would be, how many countries choose Glock for their primary vs how many chose the M9?

Just because the U.S. chose it, doesn't make it better... saw plenty of what the "lowest bid" bought...

[Glock Lover]

Originally Posted by HICKMAN

Because they want a faggy safety on it because officers are tards

and the other question would be, how many countries choose Glock for their primary vs how many chose the M9?

Just because the U.S. chose it, doesn't make it better... saw plenty of what the "lowest bid" bought...

[JosephR]

Using the US military as the litmus test for which handgun would be the best for an application is just FLAWED! I can think of several reasons- one being that Glocks are not made HERE in the US where we MAY need them to be made in the event of a serious Global catastrophe. Second reason being image, third being cost. Then there's politics, contracts, etc.

BUT when the US mil had to pick one to equip our Iraqi friends with, what did they pick?

Other nations? Hmm maybe because they have their own politics and reasons (which are always bad) for not picking the Glock.

Originally Posted by SigSense

I personally can deny the combat effectiveness of the Glock as I have never used it in combat (real combat, where people die). I have (and the US Military) used the Beretta M9 on many fronts, and it has NEVER failed me. You do have to ask a serious question though.....if the Glock is so combat effective, why don't more nation's use it as their PRIMARY duty weapon?

[SigSense]

Originally Posted by JosephR

Using the US military as the litmus test for which handgun would be the best for an application is just FLAWED! I can think of several reasons- one being that Glocks are not made HERE in the US where we MAY need them to be made in the event of a serious Global catastrophe. Second reason being image, third being cost. Then there's politics, contracts, etc.

BUT when the US mil had to pick one to equip our Iraqi friends with, what did they pick?

Other nations? Hmm maybe because they have their own politics and reasons (which are always bad) for not picking the Glock.

Your response is a non-sequitur, please review the definition:

non sequitur - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

[GJ1981]

I have to ask this, if Glocks really are the best and Glock owners know this, then what is the point of telling everyone? It sounds to me like some Glock owners need reassurance for the claims

[JosephR]

Originally Posted by SigSense

Your response is a non-sequitur, please review the definition:

non sequitur - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Ok Mr. KY.

[hpclayto]

What does it matter? I have my guns, they work for me. You have yours, they work for you. Can't we all just get along?