Sig P220 and Wolf KaBoom

mammynun · 12-28-2009

This is just the facts as I'm not really sure how I feel about this yet.

12/26/09 I go to Henryville to shoot. I take my P220 Compact, Taurus 24/7 9mm and PT1911. Finding .45ACP around here is not easy, so I scored 500 rounds of Wolf from ammunition to go. I also had Blazer and some WWB. I bought the P220 new on 10/27/09, it has around 1000 rounds through it, the PT1911 has approx 2000. Switching between al 3 pistols, I get to my 9th 8 round mag in the Sig, and KaBoom:

Emailed Wolf on 12/26, they replied today offering to replace the remaining ammo at no cost to me, and want to know what "the gunsmith" says.

Talked to Sig this morning on the phone. They do not want to see pictures, they want me to send it in at my expense for repair.

I believe that it was an ammo issue, and I like that Wolf want to test my ammo and replace what I have left (around 100 rounds, I still have to look). While I'm pretty sure that the Sig had nothing to do with the KaBoom, the way that Sig handled it makes me wonder what benefit a person derives from purchasing a Sig over any other quality firearm. At any rate, I buy spare part for all my firearms, so I replaced the trigger bar spring and ordered a grip panel from Brownells for <$20, which is about a 1/3 of what it would have cost me just to send it back to Sig. BTW, the case was stuck in the chamber pretty well; I tried tapping it out with a dowel and the bottom came off. I don't have a .45 case extractor (shoulda ordered one from Brownells! Doh!), but a jag and a patch with Rem oil around the case got it out.

Like I said, Sig CS let a bad taste in my mouth... but I may have had unrealistic expectations as I've never had to deal with them before. I'm still on the fence.

KokomoDave · 12-28-2009

Well,being a Sig armorer,I have to tell you that you messed up by removing said round from chamber.The reason that Sig has the customer send the gun on their dime,is that there are soooo many instances of guys/gals/gunsmiths screwing with a gun and then blaming the manufacturer.They WILL re-imburse you the money plus get a hold of Wolf for an evaluation of what went wrong.Can't do that if you removed the round.If it is the case of a round that went KB because the slide wasn't fully in-battery but far enough to contact the drop safety,it is Sig's fault.If it was a under/over charge,then they bill Wolf.They WILL fix your weapon + NDT/magnaflux to make sure it is serviceable.If not,they will replace it.

I would be happy to look at it free of charge if you like and give you my evaluation for serviceability.

BTW-your primer strike looks very deep also.

mammynun · 12-28-2009

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Originally Posted by KokomoDave

Well,being a Sig armorer,I have to tell you that you messed up by removing said round from chamber.The reason that Sig has the customer send the gun on their dime,is that there are soooo many instances of guys/gals/gunsmiths screwing with a gun and then blaming the manufacturer.They WILL re-imburse you the money plus get a hold of Wolf for an evaluation of what went wrong.Can't do that if you removed the round.If it is the case of a round that went KB because the slide wasn't fully in-battery but far enough to contact the drop safety,it is Sig's fault.If it was a under/over charge,then they bill Wolf.They WILL fix your weapon + NDT/magnaflux to make sure it is serviceable.If not,they will replace it.

That's why I left the round in the chamber until after I talked to Sig. The lady I spoke to said that there would be no problem taking the round out, so I did. She really didn't seem interested at all. I also asked if they could give me the name of a Sig armorer in my area, and was told that they could not. My only real concern is that I can't see what magnafluxing can see (I used to have dirt bike parts magnafluxed), but all I got on the phone was "send it in." Now I'm starting to get pissed.

shibumiseeker · 12-28-2009

I don't think that there is a gun manufacturer out there that won't tell you the same thing. I had the exact same experience with another manufacturer (no, I won't say which one, it's not relevant here).

wtfd661 · 12-28-2009

I agree, I think you screwed up by not sending it into Sig. Good luck to you, I hope things work out.

Fenway · 12-28-2009

How is your hand?

mammynun · 12-28-2009

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Originally Posted by Fenway

How is your hand?

It stung for a few minutes and had some powder marks, no big deal. Two little zit-like marks on my face. When I was stationed at Ft Bragg, I had a M-249 SAW cook of just as I was performing immediate action on it. That sucked a LOT more... I was picking brass fragments out of my face for a long time afterwards. Thanks for asking!

swmp9jrm · 12-28-2009

mammynun: any chance you could post the lot number of the Wolf you were shooting? I've got about 500 rounds of Wolf myself - and a P220 Carry. I've shot a couple of boxes of the stuff without any issues, but I'd be interested to know if my stash is in the same time frame. I got mine from AIM.

Thanks if you have the lot number. Glad to hear you're okay.

mammynun · 12-28-2009

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Originally Posted by swmp9jrm

mammynun: any chance you could post the lot number of the Wolf you were shooting? I've got about 500 rounds of Wolf myself - and a P220 Carry. I've shot a couple of boxes of the stuff without any issues, but I'd be interested to know if my stash is in the same time frame. I got mine from AIM.

Thanks if you have the lot number. Glad to hear you're okay.

Lot # for Wolf is 1273 09. As it turns out, the 472th round is the one that let go as I only have 28 rounds left. Here's the round in question.

I can accept that I shouldn't have taken the case out of the chamber (that was my 1st instinct), but it sure would have been nice to have been told that they would pick up the shipping and charge Wolf if it was found to be ammo related. What I was told is that if it was ammo related was that it would not be covered under warranty and it would be fine to remove it. But yeah, I should have just sent it back and ate the shipping charge. and the inspection fee. and the parts. and the return shipping.

OneBadV8 · 12-28-2009

At least you had a metal frame protecting your hand. It could have been a lot worse, I hope everything works out with the gun and its still functional.

12-28-2009	#1 (permalink)
mammynun Expert Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New Albany Posts: 1,647	Sig P220 and Wolf KaBoom This is just the facts as I'm not really sure how I feel about this yet. 12/26/09 I go to Henryville to shoot. I take my P220 Compact, Taurus 24/7 9mm and PT1911. Finding .45ACP around here is not easy, so I scored 500 rounds of Wolf from ammunition to go. I also had Blazer and some WWB. I bought the P220 new on 10/27/09, it has around 1000 rounds through it, the PT1911 has approx 2000. Switching between al 3 pistols, I get to my 9th 8 round mag in the Sig, and KaBoom: Emailed Wolf on 12/26, they replied today offering to replace the remaining ammo at no cost to me, and want to know what "the gunsmith" says. Talked to Sig this morning on the phone. They do not want to see pictures, they want me to send it in at my expense for repair. I believe that it was an ammo issue, and I like that Wolf want to test my ammo and replace what I have left (around 100 rounds, I still have to look). While I'm pretty sure that the Sig had nothing to do with the KaBoom, the way that Sig handled it makes me wonder what benefit a person derives from purchasing a Sig over any other quality firearm. At any rate, I buy spare part for all my firearms, so I replaced the trigger bar spring and ordered a grip panel from Brownells for <$20, which is about a 1/3 of what it would have cost me just to send it back to Sig. BTW, the case was stuck in the chamber pretty well; I tried tapping it out with a dowel and the bottom came off. I don't have a .45 case extractor (shoulda ordered one from Brownells! Doh!), but a jag and a patch with Rem oil around the case got it out. Like I said, Sig CS let a bad taste in my mouth... but I may have had unrealistic expectations as I've never had to deal with them before. I'm still on the fence.

12-28-2009	#2 (permalink)
KokomoDave Not your average Korean Hillbilly Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,090	Well,being a Sig armorer,I have to tell you that you messed up by removing said round from chamber.The reason that Sig has the customer send the gun on their dime,is that there are soooo many instances of guys/gals/gunsmiths screwing with a gun and then blaming the manufacturer.They WILL re-imburse you the money plus get a hold of Wolf for an evaluation of what went wrong.Can't do that if you removed the round.If it is the case of a round that went KB because the slide wasn't fully in-battery but far enough to contact the drop safety,it is Sig's fault.If it was a under/over charge,then they bill Wolf.They WILL fix your weapon + NDT/magnaflux to make sure it is serviceable.If not,they will replace it. I would be happy to look at it free of charge if you like and give you my evaluation for serviceability. BTW-your primer strike looks very deep also. __________________ *Usual Suspect*

12-28-2009	#5 (permalink)
wtfd661 1911 aficionado Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North East Indiana Posts: 3,593	I agree, I think you screwed up by not sending it into Sig. Good luck to you, I hope things work out. __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" Ben Franklin "Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting to see what they will have for lunch, Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote." - Ben Franklin Marbury v. Madison, 5 US 137,(1803) "The Constitution of these United States is the supreme law of the land. Any law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void of law."

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12-28-2009	#4 (permalink)
shibumiseeker Grandmaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: near Bedford on a whole lot of land. Posts: 5,835	I don't think that there is a gun manufacturer out there that won't tell you the same thing. I had the exact same experience with another manufacturer (no, I won't say which one, it's not relevant here).

12-28-2009	#8 (permalink)
swmp9jrm Plinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SE Indiana Posts: 245	mammynun: any chance you could post the lot number of the Wolf you were shooting? I've got about 500 rounds of Wolf myself - and a P220 Carry. I've shot a couple of boxes of the stuff without any issues, but I'd be interested to know if my stash is in the same time frame. I got mine from AIM. Thanks if you have the lot number. Glad to hear you're okay.