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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Williams View Post
    That's not what the police said, or did. They got a call that a guy may be a little on the insane side, found out he'd bought a bunch of guns, and took the appropriate precautions to ensure a safe and peaceful resolution. The cops, in this case, haven't accused the guy of anything, charged him with anything, nor did they come after the guy JUST because he owned firearms.

    Now, whether whatever the guy's employer's told the authorities that caused them to act in such a fashion had any merit, or whether they were making crap up to cover their butts from some sort of wrongdoing... that's the real question.
    "Because he was known to have weapons, police wanted to defuse the situation and ensure the man wasn't a danger to himself or others before the neighborhood awakened and people started their daily activities, Hansen said."

    Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen made the above statment (in red). So YES, they DID come after the guy JUST because he owned firearms. The man committed no crime. This man is gulity of losing his job, purchasing firearms, and being pissed off. Take him in for observation (72 hrs. in IN) but keep your hands off his firearms!!
    Last edited by pig957; 03-10-2010 at 15:44. Reason: clarity

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    lost job (legal) bought firearms (legal) pissed off (legal). jbt under direct control of liberal government doing what thier masters ordered (illegal). sounds like business as usual at the precint. nothing to see here folks move along.

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    I see the Oregon Department of Pre-Crime is up and running

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    Well, this story is getting a little national play it seems. It was picked by Radley Balko. From his blog...

    Oregon Officials Consult Precogs, Arrest Man for Bloody Shooting Spree That Killed Four Next Week | The Agitator

    Now perhaps a recent layoff, the legal purchase of three guns, and concerns from former co-workers are indeed red flags that someone’s planning a rampage. And maybe this arrest really did save lives. But there’s a phrase we use (police state) to describe the sort of society where the police can come into your home, arrest you, commit you to a mental facility, and confiscate your legally-obtained property on no more than a hunch that you might commit some crime in the near future.

    I can't say his assessment of the situation is too far off. Pre-crime - and just how much is acceptable, if any. The reason will always be given "it can save lives." Is that good enough? Is "dissaperaing" someone to a mental institution acceptable when no charges are filed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHAT HAPPENED View Post

    universal self-loading handgun
    I just want to find one of these bad-boys, man that would cut down on range time spent reloading! Universal and self loading....oh the possibilities.

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    Don't you guys remember the proactive part of the Constitution? Its right after the right to abortion and before Universal Healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHAT HAPPENED View Post
    Police act swiftly after gun purchases | MailTribune.com


    Police act swiftly after gun purchases
    ODOT worker who'd been put on leave is mentally evaluated after buying handguns, AK-47

    March 09, 2010

    By Anita Burke
    Mail Tribune
    Concerns about an Oregon Department of Transportation employee who purchased several guns after being placed on leave prompted law enforcement across Southern Oregon to step in.

    Negotiators and a SWAT team from Medford police safely took a man — whose name wasn't released — into protective custody Monday morning in the 500 block of Effie Street, Medford police said in a news release.

    He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

    The man recently had been placed on administrative leave from his job and was "very disgruntled," the news release said.

    ODOT Communications Director Patrick Cooney said there were administrative, personnel matters involved that limited what the department could discuss.

    However, the state agency had reported concerns about the man to law enforcement agencies, who started monitoring him, officials said.

    "We had concerning information regarding a personnel issue and were watching the subject," Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said.

    In two days, the man bought a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 assault rifle, Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen said. All of those firearms were purchased legally, with required record checks by the Oregon State Police.

    Authorities were "extremely concerned" that the man may have been planning to retaliate against his employers, the news release said.

    "Instead of being reactive, we took a proactive approach," OSP Sgt. Jeff Proulx said.

    Douglas and Jackson County sheriff's departments, OSP officers based in both counties and police in Medford and Roseburg collaborated, he said.

    Medford police watched the man's home overnight, starting at about 9 p.m. Sunday, Hansen said.

    Because he was known to have weapons, police wanted to defuse the situation and ensure the man wasn't a danger to himself or others before the neighborhood awakened and people started their daily activities, Hansen said.

    Medford's hostage negotiators and SWAT team were called in at 3 a.m. Monday and arrived on the scene at about 5:45 a.m., he said.

    About a dozen officers responded. They closed the street for about an hour and evacuated three homes to protect neighbors and prevent bystanders from gathering, he said.

    After a phone conversation with negotiators, the man — who was alone in the home — agreed to come out, Hansen said.

    Police seized the recently purchased firearms, as well as another .45-caliber Heckler & Koch handgun and a 12-gauge shotgun. Police are holding the weapons for safekeeping, but no criminal charges have been filed.

    Reach reporter Anita Burke at 541-776-4485, or e-mail aburke@mailtribune.com.

    Wow, the “Thought Police” are here?
    Since he had done nothing wrong, nor was he 'adjudicated mentally defective', I don't see how they can hold him at all.

    He should keep his mouth shut, get a good lawyer and after he is released, demand a public apology from the police dept.

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    sounds like that movie where you just think about doin' something bad....then bam!! there's the cops.....what was that movie
    "I got a shotgun,rifle and 4 wheel drive and country boy can survive!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghitch75 View Post
    sounds like that movie where you just think about doin' something bad....then bam!! there's the cops.....what was that movie

    Minority Report???

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    I had the same thought on the movie being similar...

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