AK47 Raffle

[jfw46544]

I have had two transactions with Longrange. I picked them up at his apt. Also saw him at Granger Guns a couple of weeks ago. I have no problem with him. He was very upfront and honest about everything. I do not know him otherwise but I hate to see a "witch hunt" without all of the facts. Let's give the guy a chance. Perhaps there was just poor follow through on sending tickets out. I donated $$ also to the cause. No, I did not get a ticket either and perhaps I may have been duped also, but I don't believe that I have. I know this is not a court room, but I seem to remember something about being innocent until proven guilty. Before we try to burn this guy at the stake perhaps it may be best to with hold comments and judgment until the moderators can clean this up. I firmly believe (and hope) that some people may want to retract their statements. If I am wrong, I apologize to all for misreading someone. If I am correct, I hope that the ones on the "witch hunt" will apologize for jumping to conclusions.

Again, I only know him from two transactions. Please don't waste my time asking "why or what", I don't know know anything beyond what I stated. I do recall that him was donating one of his own personal rifles for this raffle to help a needy family. If this is the case, I hope that I was able to help this family out in some small way.

Joe

[Cygnus]

Bought 2 tickets by sending in cash. He did provide a name and address to send it to but I have deleted it. Anyone else have it?

Also check with paypal for fraud. I did not really expect paper tickets but at least some proof of a raffle would be good.
Maybe the Moose lodge needs to be inundated with calls until we find out if the raffle happened.
Other forums I've belonged to usually have a youtube of the drawing at some point.
Hopefully the moose should help.

Mods: Any of the members that "know " have the same IP address?

Verdict is still out but the MGO issue is a red flag. Plus he got alot of our addresses etc.
Watch for identity fraud and possible thieves.
Or maybe we're just overreacting???

[Lucas156]

I had never purchased a ticket-just showed slight interest. Hope everything gets resolved

[kingnereli]

I was very interested at first but never "got around" to buying a ticket. So, I haven't been following this thread. I was unaware of this issue untill I got the pm from esrice. I hope you guys figure this one out. Good luck.

[VUPDblue]

the winner ended up being a chuck howard i believe. acouple of guys off michigan
gunowners ended up winning cash prizes. i believe they sold 200 tickets total.
and i got with most people and told them the reason they didnt recieve their
tickets was the cost to mail them. its my fault at the beginning cause i
assumed they were going to mail them. but didnt think it was a big deal because
i gave all the info name numbers and such to put on the tickets that were being
drawn. and for every ticket that i sold online ended up costing me money
becuase of the paypal charges but didnt bug me i just wanted to try to extend it
out to people online.

[concrete dog]

so does this prove he is good to go or is it still up in the air

[techres]

Originally Posted by concrete dog

so does this prove he is good to go or is it still up in the air

It is still being looked into.

[oldfb]

That would sound very plausible had he posted that before when everyone besides myself was asking for tickets.
Has anyone of the "most" people he contacted actually heard this before I provided him with this response from my earlier posts?

Look, I may have pissed him off but the fact remains he had over a month to respond to many of us.

Did anybody hear about this before now?

I will be first in line to apologize if he actually did purchase a ticket in my name.

I however, still think he handled it poorly by not telling us why we weren't rcving a ticket before this fiasco. Or more accurately why I wasn't, since I actually sent him extra $ just for that purpose.

One thirty second post before now would have avoided all of this.

Had I been the only one misinformed I could be much more understanding.

I am the type of person that had he come to us and explained I would have tried to get him more $ to cover his expenses.

We have had so many $ troubles followed by an unbelievable number of financial and family blessings that the money isn't the issue.

Trust is about the only tax free currency we have in this world to trade with each other.

I'm just sayin...

[esrice]

Here is my message to longrange. The answers to these questions, along with actually verifying the data, should show if an actual raffle took place.

I appreciate everyone keeping cool heads and letting the facts determine the outcome.

Originally Posted by esrice

longrange,

Thank you for opening up a dialog between yourself and VUPDblue. Our only interest is in validating that an actual raffle did indeed take place.

To this end, could you please provide us with verifiable data concerning the raffle itself?

Specifically:

What person or business was in charge of administering this raffle? Did the drawing take place in Indiana or Michigan? Did it require any special permits? If so, did you have these permits?

What relationship do you have with this person/businiess?

Where did the proceeds from this raffle go? Do you have contact information where these people can be reached?

What day did the drawing take place? Where was the drawing held? Is there a phone number for this place? Is there someone there that can verify that a drawing took place?

Who won the AK-47? Who won cash prizes? Do you have contact information for these people?

How was the raffle conducted? How were the winners chosen? How many people were witness to the drawing? Were any INGOers present? If so, what are their screen names?

How was the AK-47 transferred to the winner? Did it involve an FFL?

It is my feeling that if an actual raffle took place, the answers to these questions will be straight forward and simple. Please respond as soon as possible so we can put this behind us.

Thanks for your cooperation,

Evan

[2cool9031]

In my opinion an actual raffle probably did take place. But without any ticket stubs or anything, were your names even in it?