Quick question about white-tail deer hunting.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by rhino

I've heard an outlandish rumor that a whitetail deer can actually be harvested with a 12ga and slugs. But that's just crazy talk.

I'm a muzzleloader hunter. I dont believe we need these (:do2 kind of rifles in the deer woods.

Just my worth.

[Bazooka Joe71]

Kind of takes the challenge out of it, huh?

[Bocephus]

yep

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

I'm a muzzleloader hunter. I dont believe we need these (:do2 kind of rifles in the deer woods.

Just my worth.

Ignore this if you're being ironic/humorous.

If not, the same comment could be made by bowhunters. What if they didn't want guns at all in the woods?

The concept of "need" is a nonsequitur in this context, as in almost all others related to firearms. What an individual chooses to use as a tool to accomplish a task should be dictated by the nature of the task and their personal preference, not someone else's opinion of what they "need" or don't "need."

[bwframe]

Originally Posted by rhino

The concept of "need" is a nonsequitur in this context, as in almost all others related to firearms. What an individual chooses to use as a tool to accomplish a task should be dictated by the nature of the task and their personal preference, not someone else's opinion of what they "need" or don't "need."

Yep, we don't need;
camouflaged clothing
scents or calls
portable tree stands
optics
jacketed bullets, let alone sabots
...but the choice to use them is up to us.

[bigcraig]

Originally Posted by melensdad

Can you please sight the law/regulation that allows that. I am under the impression (and would love to be corrected) that your statement is incorrect. The wording from the DNR seems to be very clear, there are case length minimums and maximums and the bullet itself has size restrictions with nothing under 357 diameter. A 30-30 or similar round would lose out on caliber (being only a .308/.309 diameter bullet) but it would also lose out because the case length is greater than 1.625" long (a 30-30 is 2.039" long).

Much of the wording regarding the cartridge limitations seems to be directed toward RIFLE hunting, and I am not a PISTOL hunter so I am not sure if the same restrictions apply.

There are no regulations as to how large a caliber for pistols, only a minimum. That is why after pistols were allowed there was a huge increase of sales for big wheel guns and about a year later T/C's were making a big hit in Indiana.

The first year that hunting deer with a pistol was legal I took a nice 8pt buck with a S&W 629 Classic. The following year, after doing some research and checking the DNR regs, I chose to use a T/C in .35 Remington and took a few deer with it during the next 3 or 4 years until I quit hunting all together.

[bigcraig]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

I'm a muzzleloader hunter. I dont believe we need these (:do2 kind of rifles in the deer woods.

Just my worth.

Your last name isn't Zumbo, is it?

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by bigcraig

Your last name isn't Zumbo, is it?

No, im not Jim Zumbo. Zumbo would have referred to these guns as "terrorist guns" I would never do that. When the law was passed to allow rifles in Indiana they assumed people would use the lever action "cowboy" stlye rifles. These rifles do produce less recoil and can bring more young people and women to the sport. Like I said before, its just my two cents worth. Im not trying to bannish these guns (SOCOM) I just dont believe they have a place in the deer woods. Are these guns great home defense guns, yes. Are they an asset to the SWAT team, sure. I just dont like them. I guess im just a traditionalist. I love seeing pictures of a grandpa and a grandson looking at an old Winchester or Remington shotgun or rifle. Seeing a 12 year old boy walking through the woods with an AR that just finished playing Mortal Combat is just not something I want to see. This is just my opinion.

[melensdad]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

. . . When the law was passed to allow rifles in Indiana they assumed people would use the lever action "cowboy" stlye rifles. . . I just dont believe they have a place in the deer woods. . . This is just my opinion.

I'm not going to jump on you for expressing your views but I believe some of them are misinformed.

First, when the DNR first published these things they listed a group of cartridges including the 458 Socom, 50 Action Express and several others that I am not aware of being chambered in ANY brand or model of Lever Action gun. Of course I could be wrong, perhaps someone makes a Lever Gun for some of those cartridges, but I don't know of any. Further, some of the cartridges are actually commonly found in the AR15 platform guns and NOT commonly found in other actions. Consequently I believe that the DNR specifically expected that hunters would bring AR15s into the woods.

As for AR's not having a "place" in the woods, I think that is a fairly common belief so you are not alone. I also remember when people suggested that BOLT ACTION rifles were unsportsmanlike to bring into the woods and when SEMI-AUTO and PUMP SHOTGUNS were considered unsporting for upland bird hunting. Every time technology comes along and improves a gun, there is someone who's mind is stuck in the past.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by melensdad

Every time technology comes along and improves a gun, there is someone who's mind is stuck in the past.

Guilty.