The Open Carry Shotgun Thread

[SilentWarrior1]

Are you kidding me? Checking credentials from an internet board? Please don't construe me as being rude, as it's not my intention... but doesn't that seem a WEE bit off? Now, I could rattle off my credentials all day, but if you weren't of priviledge ability or clearance or have an actual NEED for checking such credentials... I'm pretty sure my former superiors would tell you to piss off.

Just my , but seems a bit silly to bust someone's balls over something you need to call your legal representation about anyway.

And for the record, It is legal to carry a loaded shotgun/longun in your vehicle in the state of Indiana. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty versed in firearms law. If you can find it where it says it's illegal, I'll buy you a beer. Fair?

[Steelman]

Originally Posted by SilentWarrior1

Are you kidding me? Checking credentials from an internet board? Please don't construe me as being rude, as it's not my intention... but doesn't that seem a WEE bit off? Now, I could rattle off my credentials all day, but if you weren't of priviledge ability or clearance or have an actual NEED for checking such credentials... I'm pretty sure my former superiors would tell you to piss off.

Just my , but seems a bit silly to bust someone's balls over something you need to call your legal representation about anyway.

And for the record, It is legal to carry a loaded shotgun/longun in your vehicle in the state of Indiana. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty versed in firearms law. If you can find it where it says it's illegal, I'll buy you a beer. Fair?

I'm in Speedway, but don't drink much beer - ice tea is better for me.

I didn't expect to get viable credentials or be able to verify them. I was looking for the reaction to the question. The reaction was high emotion, little info.


Everyone seems to be "well versed in firearms law" , but I don't see folks (even amongst the gunnies) with a loaded ar-15 readily accessible in the vehicle.

It would be nice to have some in LE chime in with a contact who could verify the PD's stance on loaded long guns in vehicle/on person. LT or above.

then verfiy with atty.

then prosecutor.

[Episcopus]

Originally Posted by Steelman

I'm in Speedway, but don't drink much beer - ice tea is better for me.

I didn't expect to get viable credentials or be able to verify them. I was looking for the reaction to the question. The reaction was high emotion, little info.


Everyone seems to be "well versed in firearms law" , but I don't see folks (even amongst the gunnies) with a loaded ar-15 readily accessible in the vehicle.

It would be nice to have some in LE chime in with a contact who could verify the PD's stance on loaded long guns in vehicle/on person. LT or above.

then verfiy with atty.

then prosecutor.

Cars get stolen pretty frequently, and broken into even more frequently. I will never leave an AR, AK, or my target shotguns in my car for any length of time. I like them too much, and they cost too much to run out and buy a new one the next day. Besides, it just invites trouble from bad guys who want guns. People don't open carry because they don't want to tip their hand or be the first target. Cars are way easier targets than people; cars don't fight back. Just because I don't do it doesn't mean it is illegal. I don't drink absinthe or smoke salvia divinorum, but those aren't illegal either.

[epsylum]

Originally Posted by Steelman

I'm in Speedway, but don't drink much beer - ice tea is better for me.

I didn't expect to get viable credentials or be able to verify them. I was looking for the reaction to the question. The reaction was high emotion, little info.


Everyone seems to be "well versed in firearms law" , but I don't see folks (even amongst the gunnies) with a loaded ar-15 readily accessible in the vehicle.

It would be nice to have some in LE chime in with a contact who could verify the PD's stance on loaded long guns in vehicle/on person. LT or above.

then verfiy with atty.

then prosecutor.

First, I know for a fact 4sarge is telling the truth and he doesn't have to prove it to anyone if he doesn't want to.

Secondly, you don't know the right people. I know of several people who keep rifles (ARs, AKs, etc.) in their viehicles either loaded or "cruiser ready". I don't but for the reasons Episcopus gave.

Lastly, why ask LEOs this? They aren't lawyers. Granted they generally know a lot about laws as enforcing them is their job, but even LEOs can and do give crappy and/or flat out wrong answers (the whole no OCing business comes to mind). Go straight to someone who's sole job is interpreting laws, a lawyer. The IC has also been given to you. Read it and see what you think. If it isn't banned, then it isn't banned. Period.

[Steelman]

Originally Posted by Episcopus

Cars get stolen pretty frequently, and broken into even more frequently. I will never leave an AR, AK, or my target shotguns in my car for any length of time. I like them too much, and they cost too much to run out and buy a new one the next day. Besides, it just invites trouble from bad guys who want guns. People don't open carry because they don't want to tip their hand or be the first target. Cars are way easier targets than people; cars don't fight back. Just because I don't do it doesn't mean it is illegal. I don't drink absinthe or smoke salvia divinorum, but those aren't illegal either.

My original statement was that vehicle/open carry of loaded, readily accessible long guns was illegal.


I am willing to concede the point that there is no ACTUAL law in Indiana.


What good have we done if we have the right, but cannot exercise this right.

The problem is that Indiana doesn't need to pass an ACTUAL law when they can charge you with an array of other charges.

Why bother?

[Episcopus]

Originally Posted by Steelman

My original statement was that vehicle/open carry of loaded, readily accessible long guns was illegal.


I am willing to concede the point that there is no ACTUAL law in Indiana.


What good have we done if we have the right, but cannot exercise this right.

The problem is that Indiana doesn't need to pass an ACTUAL law when they can charge you with an array of other charges.

Why bother?

What other charge are you afraid of? Indiana doesn't have a disturbing the peace charge, either.

[Steelman]

Originally Posted by epsylum

First, I know for a fact 4sarge is telling the truth and he doesn't have to prove it to anyone if he doesn't want to.

Secondly, you don't know the right people. I know of several people who keep rifles (ARs, AKs, etc.) in their viehicles either loaded or "cruiser ready". I don't but for the reasons Episcopus gave.

Lastly, why ask LEOs this? They aren't lawyers. Granted they generally know a lot about laws as enforcing them is their job, but even LEOs can and do give crappy and/or flat out wrong answers (the whole no OCing business comes to mind). Go straight to someone who's sole job is interpreting laws, a lawyer. The IC has also been given to you. Read it and see what you think. If it isn't banned, then it isn't banned. Period.

There is no IC that can be located.

I looking for POV from LE, Attorney and Prosecutor.............fair and balanced.


How LE views the situation is important, because well, they decide if you go to jail.

[Steelman]

Originally Posted by Episcopus

What other charge are you afraid of? Indiana doesn't have a disturbing the peace charge, either.

Take your AR-15, load a 30rd mag, sling it across your shoulder and carry it into Castleton Square Mall. I'll come to bail you out and we'll review the papework. Disorderly conduct at least.

[bwframe]

Originally Posted by Steelman

It would be nice to have some in LE chime in with a contact who could verify the PD's stance on loaded long guns in vehicle/on person. LT or above.

then verfiy with atty.

then prosecutor.

I'd be very shocked if you get any of that here. The folks who are active in the legal end of this are not quick to put anything in writing, thus committing themselves.

[Episcopus]

Originally Posted by Steelman

Take your AR-15, load a 30rd mag, sling it across your shoulder and carry it into Castleton Square Mall. I'll come to bail you out and we'll review the papework. Disorderly conduct at least.

How does it meet the definition of disorderly conduct?