Obama to Cede US Sovereignty in December

[rambone]

Originally Posted by gund

That's right. Bush said he can take over the entire government in the event of an emergency. Until you show me Obama has done something or made a directive more abusive than that, I'm not going to be worried.

Originally Posted by gund

In international politics, the big man wins all the time. And the USA is the big man with a big stick. I'm not worried.

But sure go ahead and worry. If you are scared of this, there's nothing much that will change your mind.

Originally Posted by gund

I didn't say this isn't unanswered. I brought it up to contrast the two governments and say I have seen worse in the last few years, so I'm not worried yet because Obama hasn't done anything worse.

Originally Posted by gund

You already think an unsigned treaty and a proposed healthcare bill is worse than what has already been signed by the previous admin. I think the Patriot act and detaining USA citizens indefinitely and ignoring habeus corpus is worse.

Okay. Up to this point, I am sensing that you aren't worried at all about Obama, or anything he is doing, or the state of the nation (as long as it is not under GWB). I am guessing from your shielding of Obama that you voted for him.

Originally Posted by gund

I'm a fiscal conservative with libertarian leanings. Less government, less police, less laws, less intrusion, less taxes. You can read that however you want.

Then... this? Really??

You want less intrusion... do you realize the Obama & the democrats are on the verge of nationalizing our health care system, taking over 1/6 of the U.S. Economy, and inextricably altering the relationship between the individual and his Government? You understand that the Government is now in the business of giving away taxpayer money to companies and then taking them over... (a la Government Motors)?

You want less taxes... do you realize that Obama & the democrats are half-way to passing the "Cap & Trade" bill which will be the largest tax imposition in the history of the country? Have you not heard the recent rumblings of a national sales tax?

You want less laws... do you realize that Obama recently signed the "Hate Crimes" bill which basically creates a class of citizens that will be favored by law?

You want less Government... do you realize the size of the bureaucracy that will be created to oversee and control the American health care system, if the "reform" passes? Do you know that Obama expanded the powers of the FDA earlier this year? Do you know how many government jobs are being created, all at the expense of the economy? And if this treaty gets signed, we will be under the thumb of our own Government as well as the will of international governments!

You are a fiscal conservative... do you realize that Obama passed a record-setting spending bill ($787 Billion 'stimulus') in February? Do you understand that Obama's burning desire is to oversee the creation of the largest entitlement program of all time?

You have libertarian leanings... How can you look at this country, and keep insisting that there is nothing to worry about??

Are you an unshakable optimist, or is it a case of hope-nosis?