NRA: On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama! - Page 3

Sphynx · 07-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Justus

Sphinx:
You didn't answer my question:
How would more gun control solve this issue?

Get guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

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Do you really think more laws would work to stop someone
with no respect for the law?

No, which is why laws are to prevent guns from getting into those hands in the first place, and for getting them out of those hands once they're there.

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Do you know of any permit holders that have become vigilantes
or is that just a passionate emotional statement?

http://ingunowners.com/forums/politi...71_yr_old.html

BloodEclipse · 07-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Sphynx

Get guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

No, which is why laws are to prevent guns from getting into those hands in the first place, and for getting them out of those hands once they're there.

http://ingunowners.com/forums/politi...71_yr_old.html

Then explain why with Britain completely banning guns, that there is more gun crime now then before. On top of that those who don't have guns are killing people with knives and they are looking into banning knives. Outlawing and banning things does not prevent people from having them. people intent on doing harm will always find a way. Gun laws prevent responsible people from being able to defend themselves. That is plain and simple.

Justus · 07-11-2008

Good luck with your debate Sphynx.
You're going in circles.

Sphynx · 07-11-2008

Then quit asking the same questions.

You may be right BloodEclipse, and it sucks that you may be right. But that's why proper laws won't prevent people from being able to defend themselves. I've never EVER objected to people carrying guns on them legally. I would LOVE for 100% of Americans to have a gun on them at all times. But that would also require 100% of them to be absolutely responsible for their actions with the Guns.

Gun Laws should be limited to stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them, not like Britain where EVERYONE is prevented from having them.

BloodEclipse · 07-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Sphynx

Gun Laws should be limited to stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them, not like Britain where EVERYONE is prevented from having them.

I can agree with this. But I have a feeling we might differ on who those people may be that shouldn't have them. Mental illness is a big area of dispute. Not everyone who has a mental illness is going to snap and start shooting people. Hell they have defined a person as being "SHY" as having a mental illness. thats a big stretch. The problem is if it is just mental illness as a definition then alot of people will be excluded from owning or carrying a gun for protection. That seems a bit discriminatory to me.

Sphynx · 07-11-2008

Can't argue with that.

Justus · 07-11-2008

Sphynx, there's a reason I'm asking the same question...
you're not answering it.

You state you are an advocate of more gun control...
I challenge that and your original interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

How could more gun control solve the problem of the wrong people
getting their hands on firearms?
What law could be passed that hasn't already been put on the books?

Justus · 07-11-2008

I have to say, I'm seeing an increase in posts on other
boards and blogs, from newbies taking the Obama stance:
"I support the 2nd amendment, we need more gun control"

Sphinx's first post was in response to an Obama thread.

I suspect there is an trolling element inside the Obama campaign hunting
these threads and planting responses.

4sarge · 07-11-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justus

I have to say, I'm seeing an increase in posts on other
boards and blogs, from newbies taking the Obama stance:
"I support the 2nd amendment, we need more gun control"

Sphinx's first post was in response to an Obama thread.

I suspect there is an trolling element inside the Obama campaign hunting
these threads and planting responses.

To date, almost every post is Obama related, how interesting :rolleyesedit:

Sphynx · 07-11-2008

Proper Gun Control does not take the guns out of -most- American hands. Only the wrong hands. I do NOT support bans on gun ownership, even in the wrong hands. I oppose the right for a person to have a gun in his possession in a public environment when he's someone that has a history of violent crime, has certain mental issues such as highly temperamental, or has abused his right to bear arms in public by using that right to threaten another human being.

07-11-2008	#4 (permalink)
Sphynx Plinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 37	Then quit asking the same questions. You may be right BloodEclipse, and it sucks that you may be right. But that's why proper laws won't prevent people from being able to defend themselves. I've never EVER objected to people carrying guns on them legally. I would LOVE for 100% of Americans to have a gun on them at all times. But that would also require 100% of them to be absolutely responsible for their actions with the Guns. Gun Laws should be limited to stopping people who shouldn't have guns from having them, not like Britain where EVERYONE is prevented from having them. Last edited by Sphynx; 07-11-2008 at 03:28. Reason: Someone posted between now and then.

07-11-2008	#7 (permalink)
Justus Marksman Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 308	Sphynx, there's a reason I'm asking the same question... you're not answering it. You state you are an advocate of more gun control... I challenge that and your original interpretation of the 2nd amendment. How could more gun control solve the problem of the wrong people getting their hands on firearms? What law could be passed that hasn't already been put on the books? Last edited by Justus; 07-11-2008 at 04:47.

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07-11-2008	#3 (permalink)
Justus Marksman Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 308	Good luck with your debate Sphynx. You're going in circles.

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Sphynx Plinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 37	Can't argue with that.

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Justus Marksman Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 308	I have to say, I'm seeing an increase in posts on other boards and blogs, from newbies taking the Obama stance: "I support the 2nd amendment, we need more gun control" Sphinx's first post was in response to an Obama thread. I suspect there is an trolling element inside the Obama campaign hunting these threads and planting responses.

07-11-2008	#10 (permalink)
Sphynx Plinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 37	Proper Gun Control does not take the guns out of -most- American hands. Only the wrong hands. I do NOT support bans on gun ownership, even in the wrong hands. I oppose the right for a person to have a gun in his possession in a public environment when he's someone that has a history of violent crime, has certain mental issues such as highly temperamental, or has abused his right to bear arms in public by using that right to threaten another human being.