NRA: On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Sphynx

Proper Gun Control does not take the guns out of -most- American hands. Only the wrong hands. I do NOT support bans on gun ownership, even in the wrong hands. I oppose the right for a person to have a gun in his possession in a public environment when he's someone that has a history of violent crime, has certain mental issues such as highly temperamental, or has abused his right to bear arms in public by using that right to threaten another human being.

By supporting Obama, you DO SUPPORT BANS on gun ownership
because he is in support of gun bans in urban areas(Chicago)

There are already laws on the books covering the bolded issues.
You advocate more?
NICS checks for this with every purchase.

Your wording of the last issue leaves a big gray area.

[Sphynx]

Actually, by supporting Obama, I support what I believe his current agendas are, not has past agendas. If I lived in Chicago or Gary, some of the most gun-ridden and dangerous cities to live in, I would support even stricter gun control. But Obama isn't a part of the Illinois legislation any more, and isn't interested in a national level restriction on guns.

Obama supports more gun control in Chicago, not over the entire Nation.

[BloodEclipse]

Originally Posted by Sphynx

Actually, by supporting Obama, I support what I believe his current agendas are, not has past agendas. If I lived in Chicago or Gary, some of the most gun-ridden and dangerous cities to live in, I would support even stricter gun control. But Obama isn't a part of the Illinois legislation any more, and isn't interested in a national level restriction on guns.

Obama supports more gun control in Chicago, not over the entire Nation.

Not true Obama supported DC's ban on handguns. Not just from bad people but from ALL people. His words are very slippery and if you think he doesn't want to ban all guns then that must be some strong kool-aid. He wants the AWB to be reinstated as well.

[Justus]

Sphynx, you stated in your intro that you own an M16A2

for someone that owns a full-auto weapon you seem to be a little
misinformed about current gun control measures.

[Sphynx]

This is very true. I've not found any other threads interesting enough to post to yet. I take my politics very seriously, but despite that, have avoided the more 'flaming' Obama threads I've read through despite obvious baiting. I'm not trying to start or flame a fight. But this thread -is- entitled about Obama, and I am staying on topic. I'm just not knuckling to the back-patting hoorah's of every Obama-Hater on the forum (which seems to be the 90% majority). Or maybe you prefer that everyone just all agree on a topic, and avoid any potential discussion.....

[4sarge]

Originally Posted by Sphynx

This is very true. I've not found any other threads interesting enough to post to yet. I take my politics very seriously, but despite that, have avoided the more 'flaming' Obama threads I've read through despite obvious baiting. I'm not trying to start or flame a fight. But this thread -is- entitled about Obama, and I am staying on topic. I'm just not knuckling to the back-patting hoorah's of every Obama-Hater on the forum (which seems to be the 90% majority). Or maybe you prefer that everyone just all agree on a topic, and avoid any potential discussion.....

If you are Not a Moveon.org or Obama plant your missing a great opportunity. Obama is strictly an anti gun liberal. Sphynx where in Indiana are you located? Your bio is a little sketchy to say the least and you appeared at about the same time as this new member 林一海 Are Obama's handlers that worried that they feel the need to flood every pro gun group or Internet message board with bogus Obama propoganda

[Sphynx]

Sigh, you guys are posting too fast. That last reply was to 4Sarge.

BloodEclipse, show me where he desires a ban on all gun ownership across the nation.

Justus, tell me what you feel I'm mis-informed on.

[BloodEclipse]

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views." Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008

[Justus]

Obama's stance on gun control can be found here:
Barack Obama on Gun Control

the fact that he supports local handgun bans tells me that he SUPPORTS BANS.

Be careful, your M16A2 will be next

[Sphynx]

He does and should support Bans. Getting illegal guns out of illegal hands should be a huge priority. He has never objected to legal ownership of guns. And if I ever point my gun at a person that didn't deserve to die (I'd never point my gun without firing), I hope someone does take it away from me. Guns should be banned from people who can't be held responsible for their use.