Gay Group Protest Palin Pick

[Bigum1969]

Some great comments on this post.

I don't have any desire to tell other people how to live. As long as it doesn't hurt me or my family, who cares.

I think it's a dangerous and slippery slope when government begins legislating morality.

[Episcopus]

Originally Posted by Justus

While I don't agree with the lifestyle,
I don't care if they get married either.
I just want to know which churches are doing the
ceremonies so I can stay clear of that denomination.


I have a feeling this issue is clearing the way for more
discrimination and "hate-type" lawsuits aimed at churches
and/or pastors.
I don't see any other reason for it.

Most states are beginning to recognize the non-marriage "union" and
grant the same benefits as a conventional marriage.

You don't even need a church to get married. Tons of people march into courthouses all over the country and get married every day. Churches can do whatever they want, as far as I am concerned. Marry gays, don't marry gays, whatever.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Episcopus

You don't even need a church to get married. Tons of people march into courthouses all over the country and get married every day. Churches can do whatever they want, as far as I am concerned. Marry gays, don't marry gays, whatever.

Yes, I know people can marry in a courthouse,
there are some churches on the west coast that have
performed these ceremonies and some
on the east coast are contemplating it.

My point is two-fold:

1) I want to know which churches are marrying same-sex couples,
so that I can stay clear of that denomination.

2) I predict a backlash when the fundamental churches refuse to marry a same-sex couple when/if it becomes legal everywhere?
Will it be a hate crime?

[Crystalship1]

Originally Posted by Bigum1969

Some great comments on this post.

I don't have any desire to tell other people how to live. As long as it doesn't hurt me or my family, who cares.

I think it's a dangerous and slippery slope when government begins legislating morality.

YEP!!!

[SilentWarrior1]

My view is as follows:
The Lord, my God placed me on this Earth for a purpose. Part of that, I believe, is to be a light for others. It is NOT my responsibility to judge people, because God will do that when the day of Judgement comes. My responsibility is to LOVE and respect those around me, and to be a good example and witness.

I could care less about same-sex marriages. Everyone should be loved by someone, and someone should be able to love everyone. However, They are responsible for the choices they make and will, in my belief, be held accountable for what they do on this Earth and will be judged accordingly.

In other words, I believe people should live their lives how they wish... but be prepared to answer for what you do.

[haldir]

2) I predict a backlash when the fundamental churches refuse to marry a same-sex couple when/if it becomes legal everywhere?
Will it be a hate crime?

From what I have read it is handled that way in Canada. If a minister preaches against homosexuality it is a hate crime. Funny the free speechers aren't concerned about that.

[Crystalship1]

Originally Posted by SilentWarrior1

My view is as follows:
The Lord, my God placed me on this Earth for a purpose. Part of that, I believe, is to be a light for others. It is NOT my responsibility to judge people, because God will do that when the day of Judgement comes. My responsibility is to LOVE and respect those around me, and to be a good example and witness.

I could care less about same-sex marriages. Everyone should be loved by someone, and someone should be able to love everyone. However, They are responsible for the choices they make and will, in my belief, be held accountable for what they do on this Earth and will be judged accordingly.

In other words, I believe people should live their lives how they wish... but be prepared to answer for what you do.

Congratulations on being one of the very few "Christians" that seem to understand and practice that!!!!! Reps to you!!! ......

[Justus]

Originally Posted by haldir

From what I have read it is handled that way in Canada. If a minister preaches against homosexuality it is a hate crime. Funny the free speechers aren't concerned about that.

That's what I thought too.
So there's a perfect example of a government setting speech
boundaries......the slippery slope.

My guess is this will probably be applied to the 501c regulations at some
point in the future.

[Bill of Rights]

Originally Posted by haldir

Nate, keep in mind that it isn't the Republican pols that are wanting to change the laws to satisfy their sense of religion or morality. They simply don't believe we should change our laws to satisfy a few other people that violates the religious and moral values of most of their constituents. To me there is a big difference.

That's the whole point, though, haldir, they DO want to change the laws. "Protection of Marriage Act" this and "Constitutional Amendment" that. If they didn't believe we should change our laws to satisfy some (what are perceived as the "base") of the constituency, none of this would be happening. If these laws had been in place requiring only one man and one woman for decades or centuries and only now was there talk of changing laws already in place, I would agree with you, but the only thing that's been in place is custom and tradition, and those are most clearly not the same thing as laws.

Sarge, you made the point about "forcing elementary age schoolchildren to learn about it". If they weren't going to learn about it anyway, I'd agree completely. If the basic fact that "two people love each other and want to marry." is all that's presented, I see no harm. When it's presented that one partnering is somehow superior in any way except the ability to procreate, however, then we're getting into morality. Let the churches teach morality or hey, here's a novel idea, how about the parents fulfilling that role? The basic fact, though, is that elementary age children are going to learn about same-sex couples, if not from personal experience (i.e. the neighbors, Adam and Steve or Karen and Diane) then from the news media (TV, newspaper) or hearing parents and friends talk. It's how some people live. It's not good. It's not bad. It just is. Personally, I'd still like to know where in the US Constitution is granted the authority for a "Department of Education" in the first place.

ETA: I forgot to touch on the point about "hate crimes". If a man is beaten because he is Black or a woman because she is a lesbian, is the beating (the fact of the crime) any worse solely because of who or what group the victim belongs to? If Mrs. Palin stands against "hate crime" legislation, more power to her. Punish crimes because of the enormity of the crime, not because of the group to which the victim belongs.




Blessings,
B

[4sarge]

I need to clear the air regarding my original post. I am Not condoning or condemning Homosexuality. Who you sleep with, top, bottom, missionary position or doggie style, I could care less until it effects me or mine personally. If your name is Jim and you have a hankering for Joe instead of Betty Lou, go for it. I just do not want to hear the glorious details or see the photos. I'm a firm believer in but for the Grace of God go I. I posted this to demonstrate that the Democrats have mobilized every fringe and hate group imaginable to combat Sarah Palin. Obama claims to be a leader to bring diverse people together but his campaign continually finds ways to invoke the race issue, gay issue or issue du jour to be divisive. This is the web site of the group promoting this agenda HRC | Home. If this is your cup of tea, I do not have a problem with it but I do find it a little strange with my upbringing and social & moral values.




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