Economic Collapse?

[SavageEagle]

I've been doing alot of thinking about this and as horrible as it sounds, and maybe it makes me a horrible person for thinking and saying this, maybe this Country needs an economic collapse. Sure it would be aweful, but just think of what evil corporations would be demolished and thrown in the streets once the smoke cleared. You can burn me on this later but right now I'm posing two questions to you all.

First, if the markets keep the trends they are now ( /\/\/\ up down up way down ) what do you think is going to happen? Our government, the people, the makets, etc.

Second, if our economy collapsed, what do you forsee happening? Reasonably, best case, worst case, in as much detail as you can possibly muster.

Yes this will be on the final test, make it a good one!

Seriously though, I think a collapse would benefit us in the long run, kill us in the short run. I'm not an expert on any of this so I'm looking to learn something here and help educate those like me. So no bashing, no name calling, and no smacking, kicking or biting.

[Disposable Heart]

It's not a collapse, but a VERY VERY VIOLENT restructuring and tightening.

Worst case (#17B flash situation in my records, 17, social model B of 113 total situations)
Complete collapse would involve a governmental inability to control the economy (believe me, there is a huge tie between general business welfare and government). IF the guvment cant control the economy on even the most basic of levels, it cannot control the nation. IE Government contol failure=economic failure=national failure=epic fail. There would be fuel/food riots immediantly as companies struggle to maintain supply lines (this after a gradual and VERY apparent decline in government social services, state and federal, but uncontrollable rises in unemployment after complete failure of American financial institutions). After an initial conflict with local municipal contol entities (cops) the situation would either: stabilize into a police state with almost decades of rebuild to a livable level or degerate as national guard armories are looted and actions taken upon anything carrying a government badge/card. Inital stabilization by governmental forces would be weak and easily routed (tear gas is no match for freshly armed thugs in one HUGE mass marching upon the police stations). At this point, I would suggest people to bug out, not in. It would be a losing battle. After about 3 months, local gangs (no better term for it) would be superceded by one general gang/group after infighting and sectarian violence. They would most likely begin movements towards to outer rims of urban areas as already dwindling supplies are gone (suburbs and local rural communities), only to be routed by simple organizations or groups enforcing community security. General situation will equalize in 2 years to a basic system of survival, 6 years for stabilized fundamental system of trade and weights (basics for economy) and a re-establishment of a 1800s era economic system of banking by year 9. Any government influence could be restablished but only with a MAJOR initiative on their part (such as martial law or similar).

Meer projection

[nobletucky]

I have put much thought into this as well. I personally think the economy needs to fall, and the perfect candidate to achive that task is currently running for dem. president. I'll stop at that. I do however see that if the economy does crash, there will be a more positive future for our children. Its almost like you and I running up credit card bills, filing bankrupcy, and 2-3 years later, our pockets are overflowing with cash. Granted the Nat'l debt will go up, but when will it ever stop? This leads me to ask the question= what happened after the great depression? But then again your questions that you ask also depend on the "conflicts/ battles" yet to be seen when lets just say.. I don't know Russia tries to control the oil monopoly, or conflicts w/ Korea swell ect, ect.. There are many factors that could come into play that you must consider when you look at the economy in a 12 month distance. My personal opinion, it is due to crash. And if it were to crash, our communities will suffer from violence and who knows what else. I have an opinion on a worse case scenerio, but I choose not discuss or think about it, when I do I either buy a gun or ammo. Best case scenerio, your kids and mine have a better financial future. Save those bars of soap that are too small to use - you'll be rolling them together when the market crashes. You'll be taking a shower while I'm making my own soap!
I look foward to the responses and the opinions as well as you. Yet another fine topic of discussion created by SE.

[SavageEagle]

Just an FYI, I created this topic because I can't get any intellectual Convo from anyone in this house and there's no one else to discuss this with. Especially no one with as much knowledge as this forum can provide.

I personally horde everything. Minus unused soap. I can make my own. The only things I will need that I can't make is electricity but I'm working on that.

Nobletucky- You bring up a good point about Russia and other terrorist states. We would be much easier to infiltrate by terrorists and the like, but I believe people like us can fend off any ground assault attack they can throw at us... That's almost off topic, but I'm more worried about internal problems. Isolationism would be the best policy that I can think of in this scenario/reality...

[ARININ]

MAD MAX ANARCHY BY THE END OF THE YEAR!



HOPE THOSE THAT PREPARED ARE READY TO ROCK!


LOOK FOR ATTACK ON IRAN DURING OR RIGHT BEFORE COMPLETE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE!

POWERS THAT BE WILL LET ANARCHY REIGN FOR WEEKS MAYBE MONTHS MILLIONS WILL DIE!

MARTIAL LAW NAD THE RESTRUCTURING WELCOME NAU AMERO

OR IF YOU LIKE ME YOU WILL FIGHT LIKE TRUE PATRIOT!!!

GIVE ME FREEDOM OR GIVE ME DEATH

KNOW THIS the scumbags that engeinered this whole mess wil pose as the saivors DO NOT FOLLOW THEM TRUST NO ONE!!!

stay low and under the radar and if need be FIGHT BACK!

peace be with us all

[SavageEagle]

Oh I trust no one. And if need be I will fight.

What I want to know, is where you get this from? Is this just an off the wall prediction or do you have links with more info on this?

[flagtag]

I'm afraid that only the lower to middle classes will suffer from such an event. The "evil corporations" (the rich) will have (surely are now) stockpiling their money - in the form of silver and gold probably and when things settle down, will return to what they were doing before. They will not be harmed, only slowed down. They will be running the country again before long. So, in the short term, a lot of death and violence for us "poor folks". In the long term, we will end up right where we started. Only with a million fewer citizens.

BOY DO I HOPE I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT!

But, I do believe it's on the way.

[SavageEagle]

Well, I believe you're probably right. I also believe as ARININ does that this is, to some extent, being engineered.

But

I also believe that those hording their precious metals will find it hard to hold on to it. If violence breaks out, no matter how well protected they think they are, the masses just might assault them and take all that loot. At least that's what the smart ones will do. I think most of us won't allow the system to go back to buisness as usual.

There is an Online Novel that I can't remember the name of for the life of me... Maybe Bill of Rights will step in on this and give us the link... But this novel shows us the way Democracy should be. Forget individual states being represented. All groups or individual people should be represented. If this goes down the worst case road, I believe this is how we should rebuild. There are more of "us" than of "them" anyway...

I hope we're all wrong, but I fear doom is lurking and I'm just curious to hear everyone's worries, opinions, predictions, plans, etc.

[flagtag]

Yeah, it would be great to wipe the slate clean. But at what cost?

I just hope that if something like that does happen that you are right and the PEOPLE rise up and fight for a better, cleaner government.
And that those that are chosen to "lead" recognise the fact that they are our servants - or else!

[GetA2J]

Originally Posted by SavageEagle

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There is an Online Novel that I can't remember the name of for the life of me... Maybe Bill of Rights will step in on this and give us the link... But this novel shows us the way Democracy should be. Forget individual states being represented. All groups or individual people should be represented. If this goes down the worst case road, I believe this is how we should rebuild. There are more of "us" than of "them" anyway...

I hope we're all wrong, but I fear doom is lurking and I'm just curious to hear everyone's worries, opinions, predictions, plans, etc.

The online novel is "The Probability Broach" found here: Big Head Press - Thoughtful Stories, Graphic Novels Online And In Print - The Probability Broach: The Graphic Novel, by L. Neil Smith and Scott Bieser