Elephant In The Room?? No one seems to be talking about it

[in_betts]

I was at first a little surprised that there were no threads started about the guy in PA hiding from the police and how his actions may have lessons. Then I thought "Hey, what am I , chopped liver?" and I should bring it up. I know we have a strong LEO presence amongst the INGO family and I certainly understand how they may have some bitey emotions about such a person, but just because a person is or commits an evil act doesn't mean there aren't lessons to be learned.

So this guy is hiding out in a relatively small area and eluding those who seek to find him. He may have committed evil acts and be an evil person, but those people exist everywhere and whether you are an LEO or just a dude what has a family you are trying to protect the lessons (IMHO) are the same. Is there anything useful from his actions that one could learn from and use later in a defensive situation? Has he made some fatal mistakes that one could learn from? What has he done specifically that doesn't involve intimate knowledge of the surroundings that could be learned from?

If you leave a guy in his comfort zone he will probably have the advantage, or at least one would think so. Just wondering what anyone thinks of this situation as a learning experience. I know we are still missing many details, but is anyone following this?

 

[JTScribe]

We're Doomed in [Market-Ticker]

 

[slowG]

Insensitive I know but.. Maybe after a month of searching .. Maybe they could go back to wanted posters and let everyone go on with there lives. Can't live a life in fear forever.

 

[KittySlayer]

You read my mind. I have been looking here and elsewhere for the same survival/evasion skills this guy is using. Yes he is evil but he certainly has some things we could learn from. Curiosity aside he is an evil vile creature.

 

[nra4ever]

Familiar terrain is an obvious plus.

Has multiple hidden cashes of weapons and food and water. Some have already been found.

I would imagine he has a radio with the police frequencies programmed.

Preparation preparation preperation...

 

[bwframe]

No condoning of the evil persons actions. Still it's good to know that, even in today's age of sophisticated electronics, evasion is still possible.

Eric Rudolf dodged authorities for what, 6-7 years. I remember his capture was less than glorious, found eating out of a dumpster. Wonder if this guy studied Rudolf's actions?

 

[Leadeye]

I'm betting he's not in the area anymore.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I'm betting he's not in the area anymore.

He's there, just not moving.

They always get caught moving, not hiding.

 

[bwframe]

How can dogs not track him down?

 

[indykid]

How can dogs not track him down?

Was more wondering why copters with heat detection devices aren't being used.

 

[pitbulld45]

Some great points. I think he is hiding out somewhere. Someone may be helping him. But his preparations and knowledge of the area are,key in his survival.

 

[ModernGunner]

Unless that scumbag has a way off this planet, he'll be found.

Ask Bin Laden. Oh wait, ya can't...

 

[AA&E]

Unless that scumbag has a way off this planet, he'll be found.

Ask Bin Laden. Oh wait, ya can't...

or Saddam for that matter. Couldn't have happened to more deserving people.

 

[Trigger Time]

How can dogs not track him down?

Was more wondering why copters with heat detection devices aren't being used.

There are ways. Remember he knew this was coming and had time to prep his body and ao.
i do think its a bit wrong to hold a town hostage that long but to do so they must have some evidence he is a threat to the public as well and not just to the police.
i don't think they will take the guy alive. Also as far as monitoring police radio traffic is concerned I'm sure they're using tactical channels he can't intercept. Also I'm sure they've tried to trick him on their public freq's.
I do think he is still there because credible sources have seen him. They can out wait him and it looks like they intend to. Hiding from them in the winter will prove more difficult. I see a conclusion coming soon. Hopefully more innocent cops aren't hurt In the process.
The guy is a coward skim bag that should be stuffed and mounted.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

. Hiding from them in the winter will prove more difficult..
The guy is a coward skim bag that should be stuffed and mounted.

This ^ , if the winter doesn't get him they will .

From the pics that are out of him he looks like a douche straight from 80's soldier of fortune mags .

 

[mrjarrell]

The cops in that area have gone full Keystone. Even continuously targeting an innocent man doing nothing more than walking to work. If this is the quality of police work in PA the real criminal will get away scott free, due to their ineptitude.

Canadensis man targeted repeatedly as Frein suspect - News - poconorecord.com - Stroudsburg, PA

 

[Thor]

Was more wondering why copters with heat detection devices aren't being used.

Trees with leaves. As others have noted as winter approaches those advantages go away along with a more pronounced heat signature.

Since this is PA, living in the woods with the skill set of a military re-enactor and amateur survivalist...he may still be there but in the form of bear scat.

 

[in_betts]

Since this is PA, living in the woods with the skill set of a military re-enactor and amateur survivalist...he may still be there but in the form of bear scat.

I actually hadn't thought of that. It could be a possibility. Last tally I heard was over $7 million, seems to be rather expensive.

 

[BluePig]

Back a few years ago, on the Frugal Forum, someone had written a really long and drawn out story about a guy who got convicted of a crime and took off into the wild yonder to escape the po-po and "the man".
This whole situation really reminds me of that.
Too bad Frugal got all ticked off and kicked the PAW writes off the site.
Maybe this guy took some tips from that story...

 

[AA&E]

Trees with leaves. As others have noted as winter approaches those advantages go away along with a more pronounced heat signature.

Since this is PA, living in the woods with the skill set of a military re-enactor and amateur survivalist...he may still be there but in the form of bear scat.

This. I had the privledge of messing around with military grade night vision and thermal imaging devices recently. The penetration level is exceptionally low in foilage. You may as well say it doesn't penetrate forest canopies, because a person walking into a forest literally disappears 8 to 10 feet inside the tree/weed line.