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[VN Vet]

Who all listens to Coast to Coast on WIBC 93.1 FM from mid-night to 5:00 am? They have had people on there saying the SWillHTF yet this year. They have an advitiser who sells non hybrid seeds in cans that will plant a five acre garden.

Do you think they may know something we don't, as yet?

Credit Scores are important today, but next week, who really knows. I would say, be prepared today and let tomorrow will take care of itself. Maybe not the best wisdom I can give, but who knows about that either. Just don't go into debt that youl can not expect to pay off tomorrow. Tomorrow may just end up just fine for all of us.

God Bless and God Speed to us all.

[Skoty]

The best things to know during survival have been stated. But the biggest thing you gotta do to prepare besides actual items is learn how to stay calm. People that panic when lost in the woods are almost 95% more likely to not make it out as easily as those that learn how to slow down and stay calm. Your brain is the most important tool to have. If you are calm and you think straight, you will save yourself quite easily.

Once you are calm and understand your surroundings, find a source of fresh water. Moving water is better than standing, clear is better than hazy (commen sense).

Shelter, under uprooted tree in creek bed or make one. Indiana, it's is pretty easy since trees are just about everywhere. Pine tree's will be your friend. Use the branches with the needles as a roof to shelter off sunlight and rain.

Food, hunting is difficult without firearms or fishing tackle. But, you can survive off local vegetation, watch the local animals. You would be suprised what kinds of plants taste like lemons and mint!

Fire, I honestly would say fire is more important than shelter on the first night depending on the weather. Fire is comforting, gives heat, helps you dry off if your wet, keeps the boogy man away. Some laugh about the boogie man, but once you spend 2-3 days alone your mind plays tricks on you. Nature makes noises that will spook you. Fire will defenitely bring you much comfort at night.

I will check and see if I have a extra boy scout handbook laying around. It is a great book to learn simple survival basics that will keep you alive. I will pm you when I know if I do or not, if I do I will just give it to you.

Stashing away Salt, Iodine, Rice etc is a good idea. Only if you ALWAYS can have that on you, so knowing how to survive on the the recources you have around you is way more logical/important than to rely and hope that you have all these things stowed away in your vehicle or home.

1 week boy scout survival in northern indiana with just a poncho
1 week boy scout survival at New Mexico with just a chipped stone
1 week boy scout survival in Colorado rockies with just clothing and shoes
1 week in washington state.
I plan on doing another week on my own time since I have done anything with scouts since I acheived my Eagle.

This is all of course my opinion.

[Ruiner]

My most useful plan is to have a go to vehicle. I'm always within running distance of mine, so I'm going to get a Hardigg Storm or Pelican case to put in the back of it and have it contain everything from glo-sticks, to food, to ammo, boots, clothes, to a spare weapon locked in the back.

A rolling lifebox per say. That way I'll have the basics covered and ready to go if things ever got really ugly and I needed to go in a hurry.

[Ruiner]

I still don't know what to do about ammo. I can't afford anything, and have barely enough for a range session. That really bothers me.

[Skoty]

Vehicles wont work in the event of a Electro Magnetic Impulse. Not highly possible one will happen, but you never know.

In my personal view and experience, the more you rely on something else, the worse off you are. It is better to know how to survive with nothing than to rely and hope that what you have will be along side with you.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Ruiner

I still don't know what to do about ammo. I can't afford anything, and have barely enough for a range session. That really bothers me.

Why would you need to keep more than the necessities in your vehicle kit?
These days, I wouldn't be rolling around town with a guns & ammo cache in the trunk. (JMO)

Plus your one-and-only supply stash being kept in your vehicle is begging to be stolen.

My 2 cents:
It's good to be prepared.
From what I've read so far, if I were in your situation, I'd concentrate on a 3-7 day kit
and work out an extended Plan B with a friend or relative.
Use the kit to get to Plan B and don't rely on being able to drive in
an emergency.

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[waloidian]

if you can buy a pelican case to store your stuff, you arent spending your money well, that cost right there could pay for all your shtf food and other gear. Maybe you are letting things get to your head a little too much. There are plenty of sealable plastic storage bins/containers that will do just as well. And like Justus said, that stash is waiting to get stolen in a heart beat.

[waloidian]

Originally Posted by csaws

Going further in debt will never help, and you are doing a personal stimulus package now that you will pay for for a long, long time.

it's funny to me that people complain about the way gov't is ran when they run their own loves the exact same way. Selling the car is your way to do what you want (stock up) and get out of debt.

repped for that comment. So many people complain about the gov, but are the first to take a hand out or demand more support...all the while continuing to rail on the gov for failed policies.

[waloidian]

Originally Posted by Jack Ryan

What makes you think people from the country won't be driving 30-45 minits to sit in your living room and eat your food stores?

What is it that makes people in Indianapolis think they are going to sit up there in the city all their lives, keep the good jobs all to their self, lobby all the government lackeys day and night in Indianapolis for their benefit and then as soon as SHTF they think they will just take a little drive out to some one else's "corn field" and set up a squatters camp. Throw a little picnic.

I've said it before and I'll remind ya again here because I don't fire warning shots, the power goes out or I have any reason to think there's a remote chance S is H'ing T F and I see any one on my property after dark they are likely to be in a hole by daylight.....

Very true. If S really HTF, then catching that treerat is going to have a whole lot more competition than someone just walking onto anothers property and taking their food supply. Luckily I have deer waling in my woods (live in town), and have plenty of critters as well...but I sure as heck arent sharing none of these with people that think they will just mosey on my lot

[Ruiner]

Originally Posted by Skoty

Vehicles wont work in the event of a Electro Magnetic Impulse. Not highly possible one will happen, but you never know.

In my personal view and experience, the more you rely on something else, the worse off you are. It is better to know how to survive with nothing than to rely and hope that what you have will be along side with you.

Woah there bud.. That's a little far fetched.

Originally Posted by Justus

Why would you need to keep more than the necessities in your vehicle kit?
These days, I wouldn't be rolling around town with a guns & ammo cache in the trunk. (JMO)

Plus your one-and-only supply stash being kept in your vehicle is begging to be stolen.

My 2 cents:
It's good to be prepared.
From what I've read so far, if I were in your situation, I'd concentrate on a 3-7 day kit
and work out an extended Plan B with a friend or relative.
Use the kit to get to Plan B and don't rely on being able to drive in
an emergency.

.

Not making my vehicle a one and only supply stash. I dunno how those signals got crossed, I'm just speaking in general terms on some stuff ( IE: Ammo I would keep in my house where the rest of it is, and maybe a box or two in the vehicle ) Beyond that, we're strictly talking a mobile life box in the vehicle, and I'll have other stuff in the house. Not trying to be excessive or redundant.

Originally Posted by waloidian

if you can buy a pelican case to store your stuff, you arent spending your money well, that cost right there could pay for all your shtf food and other gear. Maybe you are letting things get to your head a little too much. There are plenty of sealable plastic storage bins/containers that will do just as well. And like Justus said, that stash is waiting to get stolen in a heart beat.

I can't buy a pelican case. As I said, stuff is expensive, but if you were going to put trust in a case for things that may support your life, wouldn't you want it in a case that won't get hurt / damaged / will hold up to extreme abuse and all weather?

There is a reason Hardigg Storm Cases / Pelican cases, etc are not the same as a cheap plastic case. I'd like one of the nice ones, beyond that until money starts coming in, I'll be dealing with what I have currently.

Also, no "stash" as you guys are referring too. I won't have a sign that says, hey look in my vehicle and see that black case you can barely see in the back.. That's got shtf stuff! So, the risk of my vehicle being broken into would be no higher than what it is currently today.