Tank Country - Page 4

W9ZEB · 06-10-2008

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Originally Posted by rhino

One word: fugasse.

Buried undergound, pointing upward.

Burning Heads? Barried underground, pointing upward?

Or French bread? (fougasse)

indyjoe · 06-10-2008

I just finished Freehold (available for free download). It was a great read and gives many ideas of how to demoralize an enemy by taking out logistics.

jeremy · 06-11-2008

Rhino

What is that exactly. My first language is bad english.

or do you mean "Phougas" which is the army term for a phos/gas mixture we used in nam

rhino · 06-12-2008

I think originally the term referred to mines that are buried just below the surface of the ground. In this case, I'm referring to a primitive version of a mortar, also placed under the surface of the ground. I think I read about it in James Rawles' book, Patriots.

Kirk Freeman · 06-12-2008

I remember that book!

I thought that was like a giant claymore?

indyjoe · 06-12-2008

My understanding is more like a giant shotgun, with effect like a claymore. Blasting cap = Primer. Explosives = Powder. Misc Crap = Shot.

rhino · 06-12-2008

Yeah, you're both on the right track. The version in the book is a large diameter pipe buried vertically with the bottom end sealed and of course reinforced by the ground underneath it. The propellant and stuff inside takes the path of least resistance, which is the opening at the top, then on to whatever is over it when activated. I think it was a tank in the story.

jeremy · 06-15-2008

AHHHH... Ok.

Rhino I know them as IED's. They are and have been very popular in war at least since WW II. Currently very popular in the Iraq Theater.

rhino · 06-15-2008

We're on the same page. When I think of "IED," I think in more general terms, but it certainly fits the category. It's similar in concept to the kind made with the copper plate over the top that deforms then becomes a projectile, except more of a mortar/shotgun type of deal that would be aimed vertically upward for exploiting the underside of vehicles.

Of course, more and more military vehicles are now being reinforced in that area (underside) because of the experience with a wide variety of IEDs used in Iraq and similar places over the last few years. When the book was written, it was not such a mainstream topic and the idea of an "up armored" Humvee was just an idea.

I have no idea how or if modern battle tanks are heavily armored underneath. If they were not before, I would expect that to change.

jeremy · 06-17-2008

IED is a term to identify a wide variety of devices that can be made from little to no time and material. The ones with the copper plates you refered to require a more advanced explosive knowledge as it uses a shape charge to throw the copper out at amazing speed and near plasma conditions.

And yes tanks are heavily armored in their bellies it is also the least heavily armored. So if I were going to attempt it that is were I would try it at.

06-12-2008	#34 (permalink)
rhino Somewhat Purple-ish Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,247	I think originally the term referred to mines that are buried just below the surface of the ground. In this case, I'm referring to a primitive version of a mortar, also placed under the surface of the ground. I think I read about it in James Rawles' book, *Patriots.* __________________ Adaptive Consulting & Training **To prevail you must ACT! www.adaptiveconsultingandtraining.com Wabash Valley Practical Pistol Shooters www.wvpps.com Riley Conservation Club www.rileycc.com "The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State." INDIANA CONSTITUTION** Article 1 - Bill of Rights - Section 32

06-12-2008	#37 (permalink)
rhino Somewhat Purple-ish Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,247	Yeah, you're both on the right track. The version in the book is a large diameter pipe buried vertically with the bottom end sealed and of course reinforced by the ground underneath it. The propellant and stuff inside takes the path of least resistance, which is the opening at the top, then on to whatever is over it when activated. I think it was a tank in the story. __________________ Adaptive Consulting & Training **To prevail you must ACT! www.adaptiveconsultingandtraining.com Wabash Valley Practical Pistol Shooters www.wvpps.com Riley Conservation Club www.rileycc.com "The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State." INDIANA CONSTITUTION** Article 1 - Bill of Rights - Section 32

06-15-2008	#39 (permalink)
rhino Somewhat Purple-ish Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,247	We're on the same page. When I think of "IED," I think in more general terms, but it certainly fits the category. It's similar in concept to the kind made with the copper plate over the top that deforms then becomes a projectile, except more of a mortar/shotgun type of deal that would be aimed vertically upward for exploiting the underside of vehicles. Of course, more and more military vehicles are now being reinforced in that area (underside) because of the experience with a wide variety of IEDs used in Iraq and similar places over the last few years. When the book was written, it was not such a mainstream topic and the idea of an "up armored" Humvee was just an idea. I have no idea how or if modern battle tanks are heavily armored underneath. If they were not before, I would expect that to change. __________________ Adaptive Consulting & Training **To prevail you must ACT! www.adaptiveconsultingandtraining.com Wabash Valley Practical Pistol Shooters www.wvpps.com Riley Conservation Club www.rileycc.com "The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State." INDIANA CONSTITUTION** Article 1 - Bill of Rights - Section 32

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jeremy Marksman Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Central Indiana Posts: 415	AHHHH... Ok. Rhino I know them as IED's. They are and have been very popular in war at least since WW II. Currently very popular in the Iraq Theater.

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jeremy Marksman Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Central Indiana Posts: 415	IED is a term to identify a wide variety of devices that can be made from little to no time and material. The ones with the copper plates you refered to require a more advanced explosive knowledge as it uses a shape charge to throw the copper out at amazing speed and near plasma conditions. And yes tanks are heavily armored in their bellies it is also the least heavily armored. So if I were going to attempt it that is were I would try it at.